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	<title>Comments on: Terri Schiavo has to die? Why?</title>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-15378</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You decided&quot;

*I* decided nothing.  I went off the comments of Dr. Hammesfahr, who spent a heck of a lot more time with Terri than Michael&#039;s two &quot;doctors.&quot; 

As far as the autopsy report, it held very little value for me considering that I think it&#039;d be a little easier to tell how Terri function when she was alive, rather than dead (that almost goes without saying).  And no doubt being starved to death for two weeks did absolutely nothing to help matters, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You decided&#8221;</p>
<p>*I* decided nothing.  I went off the comments of Dr. Hammesfahr, who spent a heck of a lot more time with Terri than Michael&#8217;s two &#8220;doctors.&#8221; </p>
<p>As far as the autopsy report, it held very little value for me considering that I think it&#8217;d be a little easier to tell how Terri function when she was alive, rather than dead (that almost goes without saying).  And no doubt being starved to death for two weeks did absolutely nothing to help matters, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Prince M</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-15372</link>
		<dc:creator>Prince M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This WAY after Terri Schiavo passed on-

You decided that  &quot;Terri Schiavo can and does respond to what&#039;s going on around her&quot;; now doctors have performed an autopsy and guess what? There wasn&#039;t enough gray matter to power an amoeba, much less cognitive thinking.

Not a reason for euthanasia, but not a reason to keep her alive either. But Conservatives jumped to the conclusion that &quot;SHE COULD TOO respond to what&#039;s going on around her&#039; and now it&#039;s been proved that that is just not so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This WAY after Terri Schiavo passed on-</p>
<p>You decided that  &#8220;Terri Schiavo can and does respond to what&#8217;s going on around her&#8221;; now doctors have performed an autopsy and guess what? There wasn&#8217;t enough gray matter to power an amoeba, much less cognitive thinking.</p>
<p>Not a reason for euthanasia, but not a reason to keep her alive either. But Conservatives jumped to the conclusion that &#8220;SHE COULD TOO respond to what&#8217;s going on around her&#8217; and now it&#8217;s been proved that that is just not so.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3635</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim:

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Do you agree it is not logical for those who oppose humane injection, to use death by inhumane starving and thirsting as a reason why the unrecoverable should not be allowed to die?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Truthfully, I&#039;m not sure what to think about it anymore.  For so long we&#039;ve been told that death by starvation in a hospital was such a cruel way to let someone go, then when the Schiavo case pops up, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detnews.com/2005/politics/0503/27/A04-127716.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;the mediots get a hold of a few doctors and other medical experts&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to tell us all that death by starvation is &#039;gentle&#039; and &#039;painless&#039; when done in conjunction with painkillers.

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Would you agree it would likely require a lawyer&#039;s help to meet legal requirements of *explicitly clear and in writing,&quot;&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Yes.

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;and one reason busy and budget limited folks just don&#039;t do it?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Sorry, I&#039;ve not heard where getting your wishes expressed in writing is expensive.  

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;If so, isn&#039;t it reasonable for our legal system to resolve family disputed cases after 15 years?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

I don&#039;t have any problem with it being solved legally - but I think we need more deciding these cases than hearsay ... and the motivations of the person advocating the pulling of the plug needs to be taken into account, too.  Outside of the second GAL, no one really seemed to consider that in the Schiavo case.

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Unfortunately in Terri&#039;s case, her husband(I use the term in a legal sense only) is behaving like a real jerk, so it is hard to use this case for a reasonable unemotional argument for a right to die.&quot; &lt;/strong&gt;

Yes, having ppl like M. Schiavo involved definitely clouds the issue, no question about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Do you agree it is not logical for those who oppose humane injection, to use death by inhumane starving and thirsting as a reason why the unrecoverable should not be allowed to die?&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Truthfully, I&#8217;m not sure what to think about it anymore.  For so long we&#8217;ve been told that death by starvation in a hospital was such a cruel way to let someone go, then when the Schiavo case pops up, <a href="http://www.detnews.com/2005/politics/0503/27/A04-127716.htm" target="_blank"><strong>the mediots get a hold of a few doctors and other medical experts</strong></a> to tell us all that death by starvation is &#8216;gentle&#8217; and &#8216;painless&#8217; when done in conjunction with painkillers.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Would you agree it would likely require a lawyer&#8217;s help to meet legal requirements of *explicitly clear and in writing,&#8221;"</strong></p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;and one reason busy and budget limited folks just don&#8217;t do it?&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;ve not heard where getting your wishes expressed in writing is expensive.  </p>
<p><strong>&#8220;If so, isn&#8217;t it reasonable for our legal system to resolve family disputed cases after 15 years?&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any problem with it being solved legally &#8211; but I think we need more deciding these cases than hearsay &#8230; and the motivations of the person advocating the pulling of the plug needs to be taken into account, too.  Outside of the second GAL, no one really seemed to consider that in the Schiavo case.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Unfortunately in Terri&#8217;s case, her husband(I use the term in a legal sense only) is behaving like a real jerk, so it is hard to use this case for a reasonable unemotional argument for a right to die.&#8221; </strong></p>
<p>Yes, having ppl like M. Schiavo involved definitely clouds the issue, no question about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3601</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sister for this interview....uh, I mean conversation :)

Do you agree it is not logical for those who oppose humane injection, to use death by inhumane starving and thirsting as a reason why the unrecoverable should not be allowed to die?

Would you agree it would likely require a lawyer&#039;s help to meet legal requirements of *explicitly clear and in writing &quot;, and one reason busy and budget limited folks just don&#039;t do it? If so, isn&#039;t it reasonable for our legal system to resolve family disputed cases after 15 years?

Unfortunately in Terri&#039;s case, her husband(I use the term in a legal sense only) is behaving like a real jerk, so it is hard to use this case for a reasonable unemotional argument for a right to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sister for this interview&#8230;.uh, I mean conversation <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_smiley.gif' alt='&#58;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#41;' /></p>
<p>Do you agree it is not logical for those who oppose humane injection, to use death by inhumane starving and thirsting as a reason why the unrecoverable should not be allowed to die?</p>
<p>Would you agree it would likely require a lawyer&#8217;s help to meet legal requirements of *explicitly clear and in writing &#8220;, and one reason busy and budget limited folks just don&#8217;t do it? If so, isn&#8217;t it reasonable for our legal system to resolve family disputed cases after 15 years?</p>
<p>Unfortunately in Terri&#8217;s case, her husband(I use the term in a legal sense only) is behaving like a real jerk, so it is hard to use this case for a reasonable unemotional argument for a right to die.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3549</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim, 

It&#039;s not up to me to support or not support someone&#039;s choice to live or not live a life that you would describe as a living hell as long as the person who is going through it made their wishes *explicitly clear* and in writing *or* there&#039;s agreement amongst the family. The best way to make sure their wishes are known are through a living will.  In that case I would support their right to refuse medical treatment - but I would not support euthanasia or physician-assisted suicide.

I cannot support taking away the life of someone who&#039;s wishes weren&#039;t clear and where there&#039;s a dispute involved based purely on hearsay.  This case was tragic on multiple levels but it would not have gone as far as it did if there had been a living will present (in my view).  I know many families make such difficult decisions everyday without fanfare - whether or not to continue on with a family member who&#039;s outlook for recovery is bleak.  My family did many years ago with my ailing grandmother, who&#039;s lungs collapsed from years of smoking too much.  My mother had the option to put her on life support - but she didn&#039;t.  I was in the hospital while this was taking place.   

I know what you&#039;re saying and I can appreciate it but again it&#039;s really not up to me to support or not support someone&#039;s right to die with dignity - as long as that person&#039;s wishes are made very clear, I have to support their wishes.  If they&#039;ve not been made clear and there&#039;s a dispute based on hearsay,  then I support the President&#039;s position that we err on the side of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not up to me to support or not support someone&#8217;s choice to live or not live a life that you would describe as a living hell as long as the person who is going through it made their wishes *explicitly clear* and in writing *or* there&#8217;s agreement amongst the family. The best way to make sure their wishes are known are through a living will.  In that case I would support their right to refuse medical treatment &#8211; but I would not support euthanasia or physician-assisted suicide.</p>
<p>I cannot support taking away the life of someone who&#8217;s wishes weren&#8217;t clear and where there&#8217;s a dispute involved based purely on hearsay.  This case was tragic on multiple levels but it would not have gone as far as it did if there had been a living will present (in my view).  I know many families make such difficult decisions everyday without fanfare &#8211; whether or not to continue on with a family member who&#8217;s outlook for recovery is bleak.  My family did many years ago with my ailing grandmother, who&#8217;s lungs collapsed from years of smoking too much.  My mother had the option to put her on life support &#8211; but she didn&#8217;t.  I was in the hospital while this was taking place.   </p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re saying and I can appreciate it but again it&#8217;s really not up to me to support or not support someone&#8217;s right to die with dignity &#8211; as long as that person&#8217;s wishes are made very clear, I have to support their wishes.  If they&#8217;ve not been made clear and there&#8217;s a dispute based on hearsay,  then I support the President&#8217;s position that we err on the side of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3548</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sis&#039;, Would you support the sustaining of a life if that life was a living hell; because one could not scratch where it itches, change positions to get comfortable, speak to communicate your needs and wishes, drink when thirsty, eat when hungry,
laugh, cry, etc. etc, so the understandable love of your parents could be satisfied?

Wouldn&#039;t the more horrifying possibility, though remote, be that Terri was not &#039;vegetative&#039;(I hate this term) and was fully cognitive and living in hell for 15 long years, with 15 more to go?

I consider it a blessing for her if in fact the doctors were right and she had no sensitivities. In fact, this would be the best argument for keeping her alive, to satisfy others sensitivities without any hell for her. The better argument for letting her die would be she was cognitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sis&#8217;, Would you support the sustaining of a life if that life was a living hell; because one could not scratch where it itches, change positions to get comfortable, speak to communicate your needs and wishes, drink when thirsty, eat when hungry,<br />
laugh, cry, etc. etc, so the understandable love of your parents could be satisfied?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the more horrifying possibility, though remote, be that Terri was not &#8216;vegetative&#8217;(I hate this term) and was fully cognitive and living in hell for 15 long years, with 15 more to go?</p>
<p>I consider it a blessing for her if in fact the doctors were right and she had no sensitivities. In fact, this would be the best argument for keeping her alive, to satisfy others sensitivities without any hell for her. The better argument for letting her die would be she was cognitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3419</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because I can&#039;t wrap myself around the concept of having doctors who have pledged to help cure people giving them an injection to have them die.  The slippery slope argument comes into play here, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I can&#8217;t wrap myself around the concept of having doctors who have pledged to help cure people giving them an injection to have them die.  The slippery slope argument comes into play here, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do Sis&#039;. To remove the doubt she may suffer the removal of life support. Why could you not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do Sis&#8217;. To remove the doubt she may suffer the removal of life support. Why could you not?</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3381</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Jim, I couldn&#039;t.  Do you support  it?</description>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3319</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sis&#039; Toldjah, Would you favor a law that would euthanize by humane injection cases like Terri&#039;s, where all legal processes have been exhausted and the decision sustained that all external life support means may be removed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sis&#8217; Toldjah, Would you favor a law that would euthanize by humane injection cases like Terri&#8217;s, where all legal processes have been exhausted and the decision sustained that all external life support means may be removed?</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Les: agreed, amigo.  It&#039;s happening as we speak as we now know that the Supremes will not hear the case.

Anchoress: Thanks!

Screenplay: Thanks for the info ... I pray Terri is not suffering right now but not knowing is one of the worst parts.  May God bless her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Les: agreed, amigo.  It&#8217;s happening as we speak as we now know that the Supremes will not hear the case.</p>
<p>Anchoress: Thanks!</p>
<p>Screenplay: Thanks for the info &#8230; I pray Terri is not suffering right now but not knowing is one of the worst parts.  May God bless her.</p>
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		<title>By: SCREENPLAY1999</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3152</link>
		<dc:creator>SCREENPLAY1999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are the medical facts on what happens to a person who is &quot;medically&quot; starved to death: 
&quot;Removal of the G-tube would likely create various effects from the lack of hydration and nutrition, leading ultimately to death. Brophy&#039;s mouth would dry out and become caked or coated with thick material. His lips would become parched and cracked. His tongue would swell, and might crack. His eyes would recede back into their orbits and his cheeks would become hollow. The lining of his nose might crack and cause his nose to bleed. His skin would hang loose on his body and become dry and scaly. His urine would become highly concentrated, leading to burning of the bladder. The lining of his stomach would dry out and he would experience dry heaves and vomiting. His body temperature would become very high. His brain cells would dry out, causing convulsions. His respiratory tract would dry out, and the thick secretions that would result could plug his lungs and cause death. At some point within five days to three weeks his major organs, including his lungs, heart, and brain, would give out and he would die. The judge found that death by dehydration is extremely painful and uncomfortable for a human being. The judge could not rule out the possibility that Paul Brophy could experience pain in such a scenario. Paul Brophy&#039;s attending physician described death by dehydration as cruel and violent.&quot; 
http://academic.udayton.edu/LawrenceUlrich/brophy.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the medical facts on what happens to a person who is &#8220;medically&#8221; starved to death:<br />
&#8220;Removal of the G-tube would likely create various effects from the lack of hydration and nutrition, leading ultimately to death. Brophy&#8217;s mouth would dry out and become caked or coated with thick material. His lips would become parched and cracked. His tongue would swell, and might crack. His eyes would recede back into their orbits and his cheeks would become hollow. The lining of his nose might crack and cause his nose to bleed. His skin would hang loose on his body and become dry and scaly. His urine would become highly concentrated, leading to burning of the bladder. The lining of his stomach would dry out and he would experience dry heaves and vomiting. His body temperature would become very high. His brain cells would dry out, causing convulsions. His respiratory tract would dry out, and the thick secretions that would result could plug his lungs and cause death. At some point within five days to three weeks his major organs, including his lungs, heart, and brain, would give out and he would die. The judge found that death by dehydration is extremely painful and uncomfortable for a human being. The judge could not rule out the possibility that Paul Brophy could experience pain in such a scenario. Paul Brophy&#8217;s attending physician described death by dehydration as cruel and violent.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://academic.udayton.edu/LawrenceUlrich/brophy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://academic.udayton.edu/LawrenceUlrich/brophy.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: TheAnchoress</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/03/18/terry-schiavo-has-to-die-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3146</link>
		<dc:creator>TheAnchoress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good, thoughtful post.  Well done, Sister! :smile:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, thoughtful post.  Well done, Sister! <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: UNCoRRELATED</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNCoRRELATED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Terry Schiavo&lt;/strong&gt;
I read Peggy Noonan&#039;s Opinion Journal piece yesterday and thought I might finally have something to say about this issue, but I find myself just as confused by the various assertions as I ever was. On the one hand, she&#039;s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Terry Schiavo</strong><br />
I read Peggy Noonan&#8217;s Opinion Journal piece yesterday and thought I might finally have something to say about this issue, but I find myself just as confused by the various assertions as I ever was. On the one hand, she&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn Barber's Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Shawn Barber's Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Terri Schiavo&#039;s Life is Spared Temporarily&lt;/strong&gt;
I&#039;ve been up since 4:00 a.m., and someone still scooped me on this one. Terri Schiavo will live another day. According to the San Francisco Chronicle: President Bush and Congress early today gave federal courts jurisdiction over the case of a brain-da...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Terri Schiavo&#8217;s Life is Spared Temporarily</strong><br />
I&#8217;ve been up since 4:00 a.m., and someone still scooped me on this one. Terri Schiavo will live another day. According to the San Francisco Chronicle: President Bush and Congress early today gave federal courts jurisdiction over the case of a brain-da&#8230;</p>
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