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Let’s remember who the enemy is
Liberals say quite a few things about the war on terror that I don’t agree with. Sometimes to the point that when I’m arguing with them, I want to throw my hands up in the air and say "what’s the point?"
One thing I always keep in mind, though, is that liberals aren’t the enemy in this war. Conservatives aren’t either. Although we disagree with each other - sometimes quite passionately – we have to remember that the real enemy here is radical Islam.
There are always exceptions to every rule, though. I don’t think Ted Kennedy has this country’s best interests at heart, nor Dick Durbin (for example) and I think that about a few liberal columnists, too - I’m sure some liberals out there might say the same about some conservatives. But make no mistake about it: we, the average (not extremist) liberal and conservative, aren’t each others enemy.
True, we were already divided before this war, but since then the divisions have gone deeper, the rifts widening. Before it widens further, I implore all my friends on the left and right (and I mean this for myself too) that we need to stick together in this fight, not tear each other apart. That doesn’t mean we always have to agree – in fact, always agreeing is boring. That just means we respect each other’s arguments without them disintegrating to the point of no return.
I’ve read countless times people blaming the President for our divisiveness. Instead of playing the blame game, we ought to take a look at ourselves instead, because we all have a part in this and we don’t *have* to be that way. If we continue to let our disagreements over how to handle the terrorist threats we are facing lead us to consider each other the enemy rather than radical Islam, then in some respects, the terrorists who flew those planes into the WTC, the Pentagon, and a field in PA have scored a partial victory. Let’s not let that happen.
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Hmmm…haven’t heard a good “if…then the terrorists will win” statement in a while. But I do enjoy saying it to my students. “If you don’t turn in your homework, then the terrorists will win!” Usually get blank stares.
Anyway, I agree with the principle of your idea…sorta…I do think that the average liberal wants Bush to lose, and unfortunately that means not only pointing out mistakes made in the war (valid), but actively hoping to FIND them (not quite as valid, but certainly important), to even CREATING mistakes where none exist – I’m looking at you, Koran-flushers (not valid and dangerous) and refusing to accept positives (which is neither valid or invalid, but it is telling).
Alternately, conservatives with blinders about the sunny, children holding hands in the streets of Iraq, that’s dangerous in the long run too.
Liberals ARE our enemy just as Kennedy and Fonda and Kerry and Cronkite were our enemies during the VietNam War. They and their ilk were the reason we lost that war and they will be the reason we lose this one if we listen to them and cut and run. Bin Laden and his advisors know very well what they have to do to win in Iraq. Just be patient!! Kill a few American soldiers once in a while. Then wait until the traitors gain the upper hand with US public opinion and a pullout a la Mogadishu/Saigon won’t be far off. Bin Laden/Zawaheri will have Iraq and its oil. Once out, we’ll never go back and they win and we lose again!
Don’t throw away those burkhas just yet ladies!
ArizonaTeach: Great points! Can’t disagree with any of ‘em. Bottom line is we have to be cautiously optimistic without painting the wrong picture, whether it be too negative or too positive.
Shooter: Whoa! Slow down there, cowboy … I promise you, liberals are not our enemy! There are exceptions to the rule though, such as the examples I mentioned in my post.
Yes, liberals are enemies, because they share common cause with the terrorists; i.e. the destruction of Western civilization. Liberalism is just Marxism with a new paintjob, and the prime goal of Marxism was, is, and always will be to destroy existing civilization so that a communist utopia can be built on its smoking ruins. They are idiots and traitors, and deserve to all be hanged.
Get real! –ST
Shooter, Shooter, Shooter. I’m not your enemy. We just have a few philosophical differences. That aggravating piece of tissue called The Constitution may be your enemy, but I got nothin’ but love for ya, bruh. If you don’t survive , I don’t survive. And I gotta go to tha club Saturday, so I GOTTA survive, ya mean?
The old saying says “there are no atheists in foxholes”, but I assure you, bruh, there are plenty Liberals. I was one. US Air force for 6 years. True, the AF don’t do a lot of foxholes, but you get the point. Liberal Americans serve erywhere our more uptight brethren serve.(it’s a jizz-oke. humor) And it looks like we may be busy in Iraq and Afghanistan for a while. You don’t want to go and kick out maybe half, maybe less, maybe more of tha’ fellas that’s got ya back, do ya? Liberal or Conservative, you shoot at who shoots at you. We’ll agree to disagree about your “deal” with The Constitution when we get back to “terra firma, the land o’ milk and HONIES, da block, stateside, Big Sammy’s, or… home. But over there, I don’t give a d—– ’bout yo politics. Just Cover My Ass! Peace out.
Word up, povertypimp. Much better than your first post
I’m new here, Sis. Let me open by saying that you have a very nice blog and I appreciate your willingness to let your voice be heard.
I am a long-time conservative who dabbled with the “progressive” position back in my college days, especially as it related to the anti-war/anti-nuke movement of the early ’80s. I’ve been watching pretty closely the interplay between conservative and liberal ever since. It is a truism — oft-repeated, but nevertheless correct IMHO — that there is a disparity in the way conservatives and liberals approach each other as ideological adversaries. Conservatives tend to think of liberals as being wrong-headed or misguided — possibly even stupid, in some cases — but not necessarily evil. Your post is a perfect example of this thinking: you recognize that, although we may disagree with liberals on the issues, they nevertheless hold their positions out of sincere (albeit misguided) convictions about what is best for the country and the world at large. Most of us conservatives recognize that resorting to language like “pinko” and “commie” and “bed-wetting hippie” can be a lot of fun but it does nothing to further the debate.
On the liberal side of the fence, however, I see a very different picture. It seems that conservatives cannot hold a position without having some base motive attributed to it. If we’re in favor of military action against Iraq, it’s because we want their oil, or because we want to enrich corporate fatcats who are working the reconstruction contracts. If we’re opposed to ANY kind of restrictions on abortion, it’s because we want to keep women barefoot and pregnant. If we’re opposed to gay marriage, it’s because we’re homophobic and/or we’re repressed, closeted homosexuals ourselves. If we object to Affirmative Action, it’s because we’re racists. I vividly remember back in 1995, when the newly-elected Republican Congress proposed putting some limits on the rate of increase of funding for certain welfare programs — the rate of increase, mind you, not the actual funding itself — one of my own Georgia Congressmen, John Lewis, stood up in the well of the House and likened the policies of Newt Gingrich and the House Republicans to those of the Nazi regime.
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Even more recently, we have Howard Dean and his numerous, odious, insulting remarks about Republicans…do I need to even list them? Only a handful of his fellow Democrats called him on it, and he is STILL the head of the DNC to this day.
In short, in the minds of many liberals it seems that if you hold a conservative position on any issue, it’s because of a fundamental flaw in your character. You’re immoral, unethical, etc. ad nauseum. I’m sure you’ve been to the Democratic Underground website, or to Daily Kos…you know what I’m talking about. And I’m not talking just about the comments sections; you posted earlier on the recent scandal involving the “Conservative Blog Taxonomy.” Mithras’s post was disgusting, but the way so many liberal bloggers and commenters went to bat for him was even more revolting.
What I’m trying to say, Sis, is this: it is very hard to have an intelligent, rational discussion with someone who thinks that you’re just a couple of notches down from Robespierre. There’s a clear double-standard in degree of magnanimity (sp?). Conservatives certainly have not cornered the market on reasoned discourse, but I can’t help thinking that if liberals were more committed to the same, maybe they’d be able to articulate their positions a bit better, rather than resorting to constant name-calling.
Here’s yet another example of what I’m talking about. Leave it to Harry Belafonte to rise to the occasion and make my point for me. Thanks Harry!
Sloan,
Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. People like Belafonte are exactly who I’m talking about are the exception to the rule … but there are others, too
I’ve been debating liberals for the last 5 years at a political forum (30K posts and counting) and I’ve seen some bad ones but most of them I debate with are good people – they just disagreeing with me. I think on ‘initial encounters’ I wonder myself (and you mentioned something related to this) whether or not the person debating me thinks I hate the elderly, kids, gays, etc etc. If it comes out in the convo that they think I’m a mean conservative and I can’t get through to them that I’m not, the best thing to do is to walk away. I’ve gone toe to toe with the best of ‘em, and I’ve found that approach works best.
What’s great about the I’net is if someone makes an assertion, you can easily prove it wrong by looking it up
Winning the over with knowledge is the key – but only if they are receptive to it. I try to keep in mind that I used to be a liberal too so I know some of the logic behind the thought processes of those on the ‘other side’ of the fence.
Ex-squeezeme? You didn’t like my firse pose? Dat’s ahh-ight. I jus’ wanted yo attention(smile).
Excellent work done here. I’ve visited many, but find few pearls. Your’s, Sis, is one such pearl. Good luck!