Comments on: The Iraqi Constitution http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:52:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sister Toldjah http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18767 Sister Toldjah Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:35:32 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18767 True - but didn't the Sunni's say they hadn't agreed to the draft of the Constitution? True – but didn’t the Sunni’s say they hadn’t agreed to the draft of the Constitution?

]]> By: docdave http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18719 docdave Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:15:06 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18719 At least you have to give the Iraqi's an E for effort. Getting the various divisions in Iraq to agree on any govenment form was never going to be easy. For them to have come this far is miraculous indeed. The tests to come are 1) how they treat women who typically do not have the same rights are men in Islamic law 2) how they treat people of other faiths, perhaps their biggest test will be with Jews 3) how they treat the people that switch from Islam to other faiths. 4) their relationship with the other Islamic countries especially those that surround them. In my opinion which I believe is also the opinion of President Bush is that any chance for a non-Islamic representative form of government in Iraq is dependant on our (USA) continuing presence. At least you have to give the Iraqi’s an E for effort. Getting the various divisions in Iraq to agree on any govenment form was never going to be easy. For them to have come this far is miraculous indeed. The tests to come are 1) how they treat women who typically do not have the same rights are men in Islamic law 2) how they treat people of other faiths, perhaps their biggest test will be with Jews 3) how they treat the people that switch from Islam to other faiths. 4) their relationship with the other Islamic countries especially those that surround them. In my opinion which I believe is also the opinion of President Bush is that any chance for a non-Islamic representative form of government in Iraq is dependant on our (USA) continuing presence.

]]> By: David Foster http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18635 David Foster Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:17:44 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18635 Turkey is an Islamic country with a formally secular government. Turkey is an Islamic country with a formally secular government.

]]> By: Zorro http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18546 Zorro Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:42:28 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18546 <em>"But even if I suspended disbelief for a moment and agreed that the democracy project is a worthy casus belli, I am as certain as I am that I am breathing that the American people would not put their brave young men and women in harm's way for the purpose of establishing an Islamic government. Anyplace."</em> <strong>How can you have anything BUT an Islamic government in an Islamic country?</strong> “But even if I suspended disbelief for a moment and agreed that the democracy project is a worthy casus belli, I am as certain as I am that I am breathing that the American people would not put their brave young men and women in harm’s way for the purpose of establishing an Islamic government. Anyplace.”

How can you have anything BUT an Islamic government in an Islamic country?

]]> By: Danny Carlton: codenamed "Jack Lewis" http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18539 Danny Carlton: codenamed "Jack Lewis" Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:42:56 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18539 <strong>Headlines</strong> California redefines the family   Navy Officer Affirms Assertions About Pre-9/11 Data on Atta   Coverage: Balloon Juice, Michelle Malkin,... Headlines

California redefines the family   Navy Officer Affirms Assertions About Pre-9/11 Data on Atta   Coverage: Balloon Juice, Michelle Malkin,…

]]> By: Iowa Voice http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18537 Iowa Voice Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:53:10 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18537 <strong>Iraq And Their Constitution</strong> Go to any newspaper website, or pick one up that is in print, turn on the news programs, or go to any liberal blog and you're bound to hear about how Iraq has somehow "blown" the consitution question. Basically because the assembly didn't vote on ... Iraq And Their Constitution

Go to any newspaper website, or pick one up that is in print, turn on the news programs, or go to any liberal blog and you’re bound to hear about how Iraq has somehow “blown” the consitution question. Basically because the assembly didn’t vote on …

]]> By: camojack http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18513 camojack Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:13:13 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18513 I went and checked; it's I Timothy, Chapter 2:11-12: <i>A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.</i> FYI, I'm not trying to stir anything up; my point is that you can take things out of context and make them say a lot of things... I went and checked; it’s I Timothy, Chapter 2:11-12:
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

FYI, I’m not trying to stir anything up; my point is that you can take things out of context and make them say a lot of things…

]]> By: camojack http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18507 camojack Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:50:55 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18507 I think those two standards could co-exist, but I'd have to study up on what Islamic law <b>really</b> says about the treatment of women. I know that in the New Testament it says women are to be quiet and such-like... (II Timothy, I believe) I think those two standards could co-exist, but I’d have to study up on what Islamic law really says about the treatment of women.

I know that in the New Testament it says women are to be quiet and such-like…
(II Timothy, I believe)

]]> By: Sad to say http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18496 Sad to say Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:00:43 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18496 <em>I really, really don't like that Dean might have been right when he said women may have less rights under the new Iraq than they did under Saddam….I just don't know. Damn./</em><em> And yet, the simplest explanation, eh?</em> I really, really don’t like that Dean might have been right when he said women may have less rights under the new Iraq than they did under Saddam….I just don’t know. Damn./

And yet, the simplest explanation, eh?

]]> By: Rob Douth http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18495 Rob Douth Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:53:14 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18495 <i> Its not just ‘mentioning' it. Its that no law can oppose it. </i> The question is moot now, as a vote on the Constitution has been delayed once again. As someone else said, "A Iraq constitution that did not mention Islam, in some way, would be like a physics book that omitted the theory of gravity." As for "no law can oppose it", we'll see when the actual Constitution is ratified. Our 1787 Constitution enshrined slavery and didn't give women the right to vote. Yet Americans solved those problems and our Constitution is considered to be a model document. Its not just ‘mentioning’ it. Its that no law can oppose it.

The question is moot now, as a vote on the Constitution has been delayed once again.

As someone else said, “A Iraq constitution that did not mention Islam, in some way, would be like a physics book that omitted the theory of gravity.”

As for “no law can oppose it”, we’ll see when the actual Constitution is ratified. Our 1787 Constitution enshrined slavery and didn’t give women the right to vote. Yet Americans solved those problems and our Constitution is considered to be a model document.

]]> By: sam http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18492 sam Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:13:47 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18492 "Frankly, I didn't expect a constitution that didn't mention Iraq or Shar'ia." Its not just 'mentioning' it. Its that no law can oppose it. “Frankly, I didn’t expect a constitution that didn’t mention Iraq or Shar’ia.”

Its not just ‘mentioning’ it. Its that no law can oppose it.

]]> By: David Foster http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18489 David Foster Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:33:57 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18489 Not what we would have ideally hoped for, but remember: Our own constitution, as originally drafted, contained some things that weren't very pretty. Not what we would have ideally hoped for, but remember: Our own constitution, as originally drafted, contained some things that weren’t very pretty.

]]> By: Sister Toldjah http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18442 Sister Toldjah Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:12:09 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18442 Thanks guys - I'm reading your comments here and those at <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/" rel="nofollow"><strong>NRO's Corner</strong></a>, who also seems to be taking a cautiously optimistic approach. Color me highly skeptical at this point, but I do take into account that not all this nations' "founding laws" were perfect, either. Thanks guys – I’m reading your comments here and those at NRO’s Corner, who also seems to be taking a cautiously optimistic approach.

Color me highly skeptical at this point, but I do take into account that not all this nations’ “founding laws” were perfect, either.

]]> By: Rob Douth http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18435 Rob Douth Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:25:39 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18435 The problem is that just about every other constitution in the Arab world enshrines Islam (Lebanon is the only exception I can find), or makes shar'ia the basis of their judicial system. I think Iraq's gonna be okay (at least, I hope it will be). Frankly, I didn't expect a constitution that didn't mention Iraq or Shar'ia. I'm with Baklava on this one, and still have great optimism. The problem is that just about every other constitution in the Arab world enshrines Islam (Lebanon is the only exception I can find), or makes shar’ia the basis of their judicial system.

I think Iraq’s gonna be okay (at least, I hope it will be). Frankly, I didn’t expect a constitution that didn’t mention Iraq or Shar’ia. I’m with Baklava on this one, and still have great optimism.

]]> By: Sister Toldjah http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-18431 Sister Toldjah Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:58:07 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/08/22/the-iraqi-constitution/#comment-18431 "no laws that are against the widely agreed upon values of Islam just means to me that if there is a widely agreed upon value of Islam that they can't pass a law against it. NOTHING wrong with that." Yeah, but just what is that "value"? “no laws that are against the widely agreed upon values of Islam just means to me that if there is a widely agreed upon value of Islam that they can’t pass a law against it. NOTHING wrong with that.”

Yeah, but just what is that “value”?

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