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Rev. Al Sharpton and Joseph Wilson.
‘Nuff said on the "support" front.
In related news, Ms. Sheehan is planning a bus tour, spanning three weeks, with the ‘finale’ being in Washington, DC on September 24.
I hope there is a massive counter-Sheehan demonstration planned for DC that day.
In the meantime, make sure to check out the Move American Forward "You Don’t Speak for Me, Cindy!" tour page. If you happen to attend one of their counter demonstrations, please make sure to recap it here for us or shoot me an email!
More: Cindy’s latest at the Huffington Post (which has become almost a fan club center for Ms. Sheehan). One commenter in that thread was the voice of sanity:
As a former member of the Air Force (seperated in June), I am of the opinion that you are accomplishing exactly the opposite of what you apparently set out to do. The fact that you had to be reminded that you started out doing this for your son (which I don’t doubt was your original motivation, as misguided as it might have been) shows to me that you’ve lost sight of what it is you really want. You are helping to demoralize our men and women in the armed services when you cry that their friends, brothers, and sisters have died for nothing. You shame them when you call them pawns in a game for greed and profit. These were, are, Casey’s brothers and sisters, and you’re not doing them any good.
If you want to protest the war, if you want to call Bush names and curse on television, go ahead. But stop claiming that you’re doing it for the "children" overseas, and admit that you’re doing it to assuage your own guilt and despair. Most of them believe in what they’re doing, all of them volunteered to do it, and the best way to save them now is to let them win so that twenty years from now a new generation doesn’t have to fight a new Iraqi dictator born out of America leaving a job unfinished.
Posted by: Airman on August 25, 2005 at 08:09AM
Amen!
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- ST …. one thing to keep in mind, as you watch the small gaggles of frenetic leftist geese gather in front of all the wrong places, they are in fact small. I have as yet to see more than a few hundred or less at any of these “Liberal/MSM company picnics”. Thats a glaring difference between now and the 70′s, and gives you an idea of just how small this cadre of “socialist insurgents” really is. Loud and obnoxious. check. Significant and effective. Not really.
Perhaps so, Bang, but the mediots amplify these people to the point that it seems like there are much more than what there actually is.
- One of the posts at puffingtons:
“You have my sympathy. First you lose a son, then you have to listen to Joan Baez.”
Posted by: Alex on August 25, 2005 at 03:10PM
- Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggg…. OUCH!
(Apparently 40 years of practice hasn’t helped…hahahaha)
That was My first visit to Arianna’s latest panderfest. Her original site and its posters read like a “Mental ailments, their cause and their cure” medical handbook. Some of her regulars couldn’t get through a complete sentence without setting off the Godwin sirens. We in Cal look on Arianna as adalpated but harmless. Back when Arnold was running she saw the market was up for Euro-crats, running in American politics, and confused her chances with one of her successful “Hollywood darling’s” dinner parties. In the space of two months she shifted parties three times. The day she announced, her three kids left home and went to live with their father. Ahhh you gotta love it.
Hey y’all!
I live in Austin, Texas.
My family and I have decided to go support the “You don’t speak for me Cindy” crowd and watch the moon bats at the Crawford “zoo”.
Cameras will be in hand, to say the least.
Will send pics when we get back.
Cool! Thanks Melissa – can’t wait to see ‘em
so, you deleted my post from yesterday? why?
is there some harm in airing dissent on your site?
for the record, i do think you’re a reasonably bright and attractive young woman. and i hope you will continue to listen to the views of others.
sometime when you’re not too busy, try researching the impact liberals have had on america throughout history… their contributions to what makes America great today. if nothing else, you’ll come away with more knowledge and a better foundation to support your ideology… left or right.
“so, you deleted my post from yesterday? why?”
I’ve no idea what you’re talking about. I rec’d no post from you. Perhaps it got caught in the blacklist filter by mistake. I’ve had that happen to a couple of regulars earlier this week. If that happened, my apologies as I’m still trying to work through understanding spam filters and what not for this blog. There seems to be this misconception out there in certain circles that I don’t allow dissent here. That is simply untrue. Some bloggers are ok with people coming to their blog and insulting them, using excessive cursing, etc, and getting away from the points of their blog posts. I dont. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
“is there some harm in airing dissent on your site?”
No, but there is harm in someone coming here strictly to insult me and tell me how stupid I am (I’m not saying you’re doing that now, but it has happened in the past). I’m more than fine with dissent. I thrive on discussions with liberals, actually and debate them everyday on a popular political message board. If anyone is interested in reading some of my posts, at this particular form, here’s the addy. Look for posts from “Zeewoman” – that’s me at that forum. It’s a forum with all types of viewpoints and probably the most balanced out there (IMO). I have 30K posts there over five years, which is more than most people there and I’ve devoted extensive time to debating some of the best. And learned a lot, like the difference between liberals who want to *really* debate and those who just think I’m an idiotic, fanatical Christian right winger.
“for the record, i do think you’re a reasonably bright and attractive young woman. and i hope you will continue to listen to the views of others.”
Thank you. I’m always open to listen to other ideas. Closing my mind to differing/opposing viewpoints is not my style, contrary to the beliefs of some. It’s one of the reasons I went from being a liberal to a conservative: my mind was open to other viewpoints. I hope you’re open to other viewpoints as well.
“sometime when you’re not too busy, try researching the impact liberals have had on america throughout history… their contributions to what makes America great today.”
Believe me, I have liberals telling me everyday what an impact they’ve made on America! Many of them like to imply that conservatives have merely been a nuisance on the way to achieving their ‘goals’ for this country, often forgetting the contributions of great conservatives in this country. I know liberals made great contributions to this country in the past. I just don’t think they do much of it now. I’m a fan of classical liberalism, and I don’t see very much of that in today’s liberals.
“if nothing else, you’ll come away with more knowledge and a better foundation to support your ideology… left or right.”
The foundation I base my beliefs on is strong, and gets stronger everyday, in spite of the fact that the leaders of my party don’t always do things I’m pleased with. I also read extensively, and not just things that tend to fall in line with my POV.
We just got back from Crawford. Am too pooped to say much, but I have pics of the Move America Forward “You Don’t Speak For Me, Cindy” tour.
It was heart warming, to see all the people out there that support our troops and our president. We went to “Camp Casey” – after being at the Move America Forward Rally and seeing the red white and blue displayed all over – the contrast was startling! At the Sheehan “camp” there was NOT ONE AMERICAN FLAG TO BE SEEN!
What a sad thing to see.
Will write more later.
It was over 100 degrees and hotter’n hades out there! I need a shower!
You mention being a fan of ‘classical liberalism’. I’m not familiar with that term, but i would infer that you’re talking about the ideology that led to formation of public school system, social security, FDA, USDA, TVA, OSHA, EPA, etc… all of which sprang from liberal minds as a means for protecting american citizenry in its entirety. And, I don’t exactly see a change in that ideology today. The Clinton’s tried to put in place socialized medicine, a program with an established track record of success in first world nations. And, I would love to see public education extended throughout college, with tutition payment linked to academic performance. I would also like to see the EPA get back some of the teeth that it has obviously lossed over the years.
Sure there are the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the liberal party, as there are the Trent Lotts, Strom Thurmons and Jesse Helms of the right. But liberalism is a beautiful thing that inspires ‘us’ thinking instead of ‘me’ thinking. A liberal, both then and now, sees the necessity of the government as caregiver to those in need, whether it is defense, food and drug monitoring, disaster assistance or aiding the poor. A liberal understands that everyone, even those supremely self-sufficient conservatives, is subject to hardship. And a liberal proudly pays his taxes understanding that money is being used for the greater good of all. A liberal understands that relegating care that lives depend on to religious organizations with a ‘proselytizing agenda’ is not appropriate or even ethical.
The only major problem with liberalism today is the apparent cowardice of some to proudly wear the moniker. Decades of hateful speech by right-wing extremists (not necessarily you) have succeeded in making ‘liberal’ a dirty word, as is the case for ‘feminism’. And that is a shame.
As for your reference to god and faith I only have this to say. It continually amazes me that right-wing fundamentalists christians, espousing belief in eternal torment for dissent, even feel they have a right to discuss morality and responsibility. I do not know what form of chriistianity you align yourself with, but there is no getting around the hypocrisy of claiming to be tolerant, loving, responsible and rational while believing in the concept of hell.
I did appreciate your thoughful, non-rabid, reply.
Have a good one.
We decided to drive from Austin to Crawford to participate in the Move America Forward tour. It was about a 2 hour drive.
We arrived at about 1:00pm just as the rally was beginning. The MAF tour started with a Christian prayer, which in these days of political correctness was more than just a little refreshing!
A number of speakers including several state senators and reps spoke to the crowd. Darryl Ancarlo was a crowd-pleaser and was rather potent in his comments. Ted Nugent’s wife was there and spoke briefly about raising money for an awning at Brooks Army Medical Center for the wounded and recovering to be outdoors and sit under (particularly for the burned soldiers who cannot be in direct sunlight), to enable them to go outside.
One speaker was a father of a soldier in sniper training in Iraq. He said he spoke to his son on the phone, who told him that Sheehan’s comments were actually goading on the insurgents and told his father to send this message: “Cindy Sheehan, Shut up! You are getting us killed!” The crowd went wild!
About halfway through, a group of Sheehan supporters snuck in and hoisted some large signs in the middle of the crowd. A few minutes of palpable tension rose as the crowd -en-masse- roughed them up a little and literally ran them out of the rally, took their signs which were torn up them up then tossed them on the ground like the trash they were. The Sheehan people were mobbed by the press- which is all they really wanted. We listened to them talk and they bragged about going around the country and doing this at other rallies. Most of the men involved with the group were from Minnesota! Long drive!
Welcome to Texas boys – now get out!
Obviously they are “professional” protesters.
The rally broke up as some of the Gold Star family members demanded that their children’s names be removed from Sheehan’s crosses from her demonstration! The McClennan County Sheriff’s Department escorted the families to retrieve them.
There were probably between 2000 and 3000 pro- Bush supporters who descended on this little one-stoplight town.
The county sheriff’s department was on hand as well as most of the local police from several surrounding towns. The Crawford town square was packed with pro- Bush / troop supporters. Lots of memorials and memorabilia stands.
We then drove out of the town to where the Cindy Sheehan camp is set up near the Bush ranch. Based on the media coverage, we believed that this would be a huge camp but when we got there, we saw only between 60 and 75 pro-Sheehan people camped.
It was a filthy crowd of sour-faced, long-haired, bitter-looking people.
There was a sense of darkness over this crowd that is hard to describe.
Their camp is just set up on a typical back-country Texas rural road.
They have their tents set up along a fence line next to a corn field. It literally looked like an old hippy camp!
The most amazing thing about the Sheehan crowd, there was not a single American flag on display.
The pro-Bush people were on the North side of the street the Sheehan zoo on the South. Hmmm. North and South again!
Our side was rowdy and alive with signs, flags and loud pro-American yelling and taunting. Lot’s of Texans on our side!
I made the mistake when we first arrived of trying to walk across the road to get some pictures of their group. When I tried to return to our side a sheriff’s deputy told me that anyone who stepped into the road or crossed from one camp to the other was subject to immediate arrest!
If I had done anything other than very quickly apologize, feign ignorance and grovel a bit I would have been introduced to the Crawford jail!
All in all, it was an interesting experience. We thought Al Sharpton was going to be there Saturday, but his schedule was changed – Darn!