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Plamegate predictions
With the widespread speculation that indictments in the Plamegate ‘scandal’ will be handed out this week, Tom Maguire at Just One Minute (who has been a blogging machine on this issue) does some speculating of his own as to what he thinks is going to come of Fitzgerald’s investigation in terms of the actual charges, who walks, etc. Good reading this morning.
My own speculation, which I posted in part at Blogs For Bush last night:
Widespread speculation in the blogosphere and op/ed pages is that we likely won’t see indictments handed down for any charges relating to deliberately outing a covert agent, but instead possibly perjury, obstruction of justice, or charges that administration officials were discussing classified info with people who weren’t authorized to hear it. Time will tell, but one thing for sure is that, assuming indictments are handed this week, even if they have nothing to do with charging Rove or Libby with deliberately outing a covert agent, the left will still be hopping with glee over any indictment they can get their hands on , while ignoring that all along their “big worry” was that ‘someone in the admin deliberately set out to destroy a covert agent!’ – which more and more doesn’t seem to be the case. What they really wanted was something, anything to tie to Rove or Libby – even if it didn’t have to do with a deliberate outing of Valerie Plame.
If there was any ‘crime’ here, it doesn’t appear that it was related to any discussions about Plame with reporters, but who in the admin found out what and when, and what they said when testifying about it before grand jury. With that in mind, and assuming there was some attempt at a coverup and indictments are handed out from that, I’m sure that still won’t stop the left’s steady drumbeat that Rove or Libby “deliberately” outed a covert CIA agent, which is a very serious charge – and they know it. But in some circles, perception is reality.
Michael Barone earlier this week wrote a good piece that talked about the repercussions that could come from the (possible) indictments (which I discussed briefly here). This may be a case of “be careful what you ask for, you just might get it” for the left.
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Oh no ST. This is about 2,000 people dying for a lie. /end sarcasm.
If 2,000 liberals say that 2,000 times does it make that true? No.
Again, Bush was saying the same thing as Albright, Gore, Kerry, Clinton and the French Intelligence, German Intelligence, Russian Intelligence and Ny Times. Most people believed that Iraq had WMD’s… even before Bush was president.
The bald face lying of the left acting like it was a lie by Bush to get us to war WILL NOT get them elected. This is just one more example out of 100 that conservatives can cite the left for lying.
The biggest and longest in my mind is the 5 months of lying in 1995 saying that the Republicans were cutting Medicare by 270 Billion.
I remember a Republican on Dan Rather’s show once in 1995 questioning Dan Rather very WELL. He asked Dan Rather if the Medicare Budget is actually increasing 7% per year for 7 years and has reforms and just isn’t going to increase 10% like the previous year… Why wouldn’t Dan Rather call it a reduction in the amount of increase to be an accurate reporter. Dan Rather evaded the question and turned it back to what Democrats are saying about the Budget.
The left will have to learn that the English language means something. You can’t simply say whatever you want.
As a centrist/conservative who sees both parties are to the left, I hope to see no indictments because Plame wasn’t even a covert agent for the last 5 years and that’s what the law says. This is not because I have any affection for Scooter or Rove, it’s simply because the English language should mean something.
Baklava said, “Again, Bush was saying the same thing as Albright, Gore, Kerry, Clinton and the French Intelligence, German Intelligence, Russian Intelligence and Ny Times. Most people believed that Iraq had WMD’s… even before Bush was president.”
Are you capable of coming up with a single thought of your own? This is exactly the same thing Rush Limbaugh was saying on the radio a day or two ago. This has nothing to do with the topic. The case is about whether or not any laws were broken when Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent was revealed to reporters. It has nothing to do with whether or not President Bush was lying about Iraq’s nuclear weapons program. The CIA does think laws were broken, otherwise they would not have requested a prosecutor to investigate this.
Baklava said “The biggest and longest in my mind is the 5 months of lying in 1995 saying that the Republicans were cutting Medicare by 270 Billion.”
You’re the one who is lying. The Republicans wanted to cut 270 billion dollars from what was allocated to Medicare under what was then current law. At least the Democrats were honest about what they were doing. The Clinton Administration openly stated that they were proposing to cut 124 billion dollars from Medicare.
Sister Toldjah,
Rove and Libby both did deliberately out a CIA agent. They both told reporters that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA. The only question is whether or not they broke the law. It’s possible that they didn’t know she was an undercover agent or it’s possible the prosecutor couldn’t prove they knew she was, but I don’t think anyone is disputing that they told reporters that Joe Wilson’s wife was working for the CIA.
It’s not just the left who is condemning Libby and Rove. Joe Scarborough, who is a conservative Republican, said if anyone in his administration did that, he would have fired them right away.
Seems Brian falls into the usual trap of not knowing the difference between CUTTING and NOT SPENDING AS MUCH MORE IN THE FUTURE.
Care to comment on Wilson’s lies while you are pontificating? Or is it just the administrations actions you find troubling?
It’s dishonesty Severian. Pure dishonesty (not falling into a trap).
Um, Brian – the President has said if anyone in his admin committed a crime they would no longer be in the admin. And if you take a look around the blogosphere and in pundit-world, most of the people on the right are saying if Rove/Libby did something wrong they should pay the price. So why you bothered to quote Joe Scarborough for me as though that is a new position for the right to take is beyond me.
Sister Toldjah,
When it was first announced this past summer that Karl Rove told a reporter Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA, most conservatives were defending what Karl Rove did and instead attacked Joe Wilson. Here’s what Ann Coulter had to say on the subject:
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Joe Scarborough was about the only conservative that said Karl Rove should be fired for telling the press Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA. Most other conservative commentators attacked Joe Wilson when it became known that Karl Rove was the one who outed his wife.
Huh? It was known in DC that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA. Get real, Brian.