I thought someone other than Hull would have said something about the origins of Kwanzaa I posted. I’m disappointed.

I’ll buy that.

How about this to help. If every company in the U.S. makes .1% profit then X revenues go into the government. If companies grow such that they make .2% profit that might be a 1% growth in the economy to do that but it’d be a DOUBLING of X revenues into the government. This is simple to help.

Our economy is large. There are winner companies and loser companies. But the principle remains the same. The recession of 2001 and 2002 which was reflected as early as OCtober 2000 (before Bush was in office) was due to most companies trying to stop spending so much after spending a lot to fix the Y2K problem. The result was recession. To help the economy a reduction in tax rates was instrumental to boosting it and the effect was a boosting of revenues into the government due to the boom in the economy. The 14% increase in revenues last year would NOT have happened if the recession lasted longer.

Now that’s a strong argument. Well done.

I still don’t understand where you get your growth numbers from. I had heard that growth was closer to 4% with inflation being at an all time low of near two percent. This was Friday on NPR in a program about Greenspan and Bernanke.

Capitalism is the system where the people choose who gets what resources. With our nation of laws and over abundance of safety nets (and hammocks that dilute the safety net for non-able-bodied people) this country provides a system where the most people are provided for and our poor are better off than the average in Europe.

The only religion that seems to teach killing and has it’s members who are fundamentalists believe people need to convert or die is Islam because of the Koran. I’ve read the bible front to back and taken 4 years of Catholic school and a class in college in World Religions and nothing ever comes close that I know of to the teachings about the “infidel”.

BTW, Our country due to it’s prosperity gives more aid to all the other countries and world’s poor than all of the other countries combined. Without our system that allows for opportunity and success we wouldn’t have the prosperity. We cannot tax our selves into prosperity and the Laffer Curve is real. It helped our economy tremendously when taxes were cut for ALL income tax payers. IT is the reason that tax revenues into the government increased by 14% last year.

http://www.answering-islam.org is a great site.

The 164 references to Jihad are very different than the actual translated verse that I have. But I am not a muslim and I don’t speak arabic. So I can be of no value in translating the text myself. But the english translation are very different.

The other site http://www.antijihad.org was way more propaganda that factual in it’s list of links. But it has lots of value as a reference of diversified opinions.

I am not a fan of Islam in general. But I feel it’s essential to understand who you are fighting with and whatfor. Know your enemy.

But I can also quote you some crazy stuff from Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

The point is when dealing anything that bases it’s position in the super-natural and blind faith instead of fact. There will always be room for criticism and ridicule. Even exploitation of text for religious or even political gain.

Please tell me that organized religion has nothing todo with greed, power, hatred and war.

It’s clear that the radical Muslim world uses religion as a weapon. And it’s clear that the same is true of Christians here in the states. So excuse me if I think Kwanzaa is no big deal. Almost nobody celbrates it. This is in stark contrast to Christianity and Islam.

- “Depending who and where you are in this world this holds true.”

- Very true, but unfortunately, also very tutorial, and again totally off point, since it speaks to the vageries of men, not the basic teachings of their religious faiths. I’m disposed to think you’re intentionally being evasive concerning the very agressive, and intolerant, in some cases even genocidal , the Koran edicts to its faithful….

- Bang

References for you

Home page for that site

Why is it that GBA believes ST is discriminating against gays if she holds the belief that they are not to be married? (I have no idea how she feels on the subject, I am going by what GBA said)

Why would any person of intelligence release a study such as the one cited above? In order for one to believe the study, one must believe that all democrats believe the gays should marry and all republicans must believe that gays should not marry. The same would be true for affimatice action and other causes cited in the study. The fact is, as we are seeing in state elections with the issue on their ballots, this is not an issue that can be assigned to political leanings. Michigan had a marriage amendment on the ballot in Nov 04′. The State went to Kerry in the election and 63% of voters voted for the marriage ban….

- The lessons of history of course is the reason our founding fathers were driven to keep governments hands off religion. “Congress shall make no laws respecting religion or the practice thereof….”.

- If any Liberal/Marxist/
Communist/Socialist/Progressives/Aetheists/Theists ect ect., can show me a article/ammendment in the Constitution where it says “This Document is divorced from, and not based on the creedos, principles, and morals of Judao/Christian beliefs, I’ll be glad to eat my hat in front of a session of Congress on national TV…..

- The founders wanted to protect everyones rights to gov. free medling in your religious freedoms, not eviscerate every semblance of decency from the American way of life in order to make a tiny minority of Aetheists happy.

- As Homer Simpson would so colorfully out it: “You guys are simply “full of beans”

- Bang

Although you and I do not share many views. Our path to a viewpoint is similar. I do my homework brother. And assume you do too.
My point was not that Christianity is bad or good. And the same of Islam or any other radical religion that is based on faith more than fact. My point is that so what that Kwanzaa is not a friendly celbration, belief ect. Neither is Islam, neither is Christianity. Depending who and where you are in this world this holds true.

Between Islam and Christianity more people have died fighting for religious supremecy than any other cause known to mankind combined.

It makes you wonder about religion, or more accurately the church/mosque/whatever(organization of religion) and it’s policies of global proliferation of it’s beliefs. The Christians have missionaries. The Muslims have an even broader network to facilitate religious conversion. These groups go to countries around the world to minister the beliefs of their particular God.

- But that last one by GBA was just too blatant to pass up….

- Bang

You could do due diligence or keep making the accusation.

(Again I’ll get to it but maybe not today – just thought you could show responsibility – not accusing you of lacking it).

I just so happen to have a copy of both scriptures here in front of me. Where in Koran did you say these passages are?
I’ll look through the book of John. I remember a part where he states that Jesus said whomsoever believeth shall inherit the earth and enjoy everlasting life etc. Or some thing like that.

Get abck to me with those verses
Thanks

What? You got too much to do today?

Thanks for finally tagging me. Now get in the ring…