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	<title>Comments on: Male activists want a voice in unplanned pregnancies</title>
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	<description>Don&#039;t dis or dismiss this miss!</description>
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		<title>By: A.G</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/08/male-activists-want-a-voice-in-unplanned-pregnancies/comment-page-2/#comment-90062</link>
		<dc:creator>A.G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there will be less children without fathers.  Women might think twice before they open thierselves up to unwanted pregnancies if they know there will not be any financial support.  A man gets upset by being trapped and forced, runs away from the situation.  Oh yah but he has to pay.  Who is really paying? ...the poor fatherless child.   Women wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there will be less children without fathers.  Women might think twice before they open thierselves up to unwanted pregnancies if they know there will not be any financial support.  A man gets upset by being trapped and forced, runs away from the situation.  Oh yah but he has to pay.  Who is really paying? &#8230;the poor fatherless child.   Women wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/08/male-activists-want-a-voice-in-unplanned-pregnancies/comment-page-2/#comment-89637</link>
		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you give us some proof that the thousands and thousands of abortions are all mens fault since you say:

&lt;i&gt;If abortion is no longer an option for men to even coerce women into doing with a child said man doesn&#039;t want to pay for, then what?&lt;/i&gt;

Seems an awful careless and foolish thing to say in my opinion.

By the way, Tennessee is considering something similiar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you give us some proof that the thousands and thousands of abortions are all mens fault since you say:</p>
<p><i>If abortion is no longer an option for men to even coerce women into doing with a child said man doesn&#8217;t want to pay for, then what?</i></p>
<p>Seems an awful careless and foolish thing to say in my opinion.</p>
<p>By the way, Tennessee is considering something similiar.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that this case is coming up just around the same time as the South Dakota abortion ban -- and similar legislation underway in at least six other states.

If abortion is no longer an option for men to even coerce women into doing with a child said man doesn&#039;t want to pay for, then what?  Or is this just a pre-emptive way of making sure that supporting accidental offspring is solely the woman&#039;s responsibility in the new illegal abortion era?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that this case is coming up just around the same time as the South Dakota abortion ban &#8212; and similar legislation underway in at least six other states.</p>
<p>If abortion is no longer an option for men to even coerce women into doing with a child said man doesn&#8217;t want to pay for, then what?  Or is this just a pre-emptive way of making sure that supporting accidental offspring is solely the woman&#8217;s responsibility in the new illegal abortion era?</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/08/male-activists-want-a-voice-in-unplanned-pregnancies/comment-page-2/#comment-89507</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 04:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was nice, eh? Such a &#039;tolerant person&#039;, isn&#039;t he?  That&#039;s ok.   I keep copies of just about every non-spam message that I don&#039;t allow on the board for ... ahem, safekeeping and for future use, if necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was nice, eh? Such a &#8216;tolerant person&#8217;, isn&#8217;t he?  That&#8217;s ok.   I keep copies of just about every non-spam message that I don&#8217;t allow on the board for &#8230; ahem, safekeeping and for future use, if necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/08/male-activists-want-a-voice-in-unplanned-pregnancies/comment-page-2/#comment-89504</link>
		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 04:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah the face of the Left rears its ugly bitter head....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah the face of the Left rears its ugly bitter head&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: CB Howell</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erynm said: &quot;if you are promoting &quot;personal responsiblity&quot; it is much easier to take responsiblity for your actions if you know what options are, and what the consequences will be if you choose certain options. i think knowledge is a better deterrent than being told not to do something &quot;because it&#039;s bad&quot; and unfortunately, that&#039;s the information many kids get in their own homes. &quot;

There are 3 ways to get something done:

1.) Do it yourself.
2.) Hire someone else to do it.
3.) &lt;strong&gt;Tell your kids not to do it.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erynm said: &#8220;if you are promoting &#8220;personal responsiblity&#8221; it is much easier to take responsiblity for your actions if you know what options are, and what the consequences will be if you choose certain options. i think knowledge is a better deterrent than being told not to do something &#8220;because it&#8217;s bad&#8221; and unfortunately, that&#8217;s the information many kids get in their own homes. &#8221;</p>
<p>There are 3 ways to get something done:</p>
<p>1.) Do it yourself.<br />
2.) Hire someone else to do it.<br />
3.) <strong>Tell your kids not to do it.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: erynm</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/08/male-activists-want-a-voice-in-unplanned-pregnancies/comment-page-2/#comment-88649</link>
		<dc:creator>erynm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pam, forest hunter: i think the case for sex ed in school is that many parents choose not to talk to their children about sex thinking that doing so might &quot;encourage sexuality.&quot; education (not just sex ed) is essential to helping people make sound, rational decisions. in the case of sexual behavior, people aren&#039;t always as rational as they should be, and if you don&#039;t know what the hell is happening or about to happen, how can you make a good choice? just saying no is not a very helpful option. even if a young person makes it out of their teen years without having had intercourse, not knowing anything about the details of sex and contraception doesn&#039;t really help when you eventually are in a sexual situation.

you may believe in instructing your children about sex only at home, but not every parent is willing to do so. quite the contrary in many cases. what happens to those kids? the ones who have to figure it out themselves? i&#039;d say chances are that many will make poor decisions in the heat of the moment. and please don&#039;t think i don&#039;t advocate sex ed at home, because i do.

if you are promoting &quot;personal responsiblity&quot; it is much easier to take responsiblity for your actions if you know what options are, and what the consequences will be if you choose certain options. i think knowledge is a better deterrent than being told not to do something &quot;because it&#039;s bad,&quot; and unfortunately, that&#039;s the information many kids get in their own homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pam, forest hunter: i think the case for sex ed in school is that many parents choose not to talk to their children about sex thinking that doing so might &#8220;encourage sexuality.&#8221; education (not just sex ed) is essential to helping people make sound, rational decisions. in the case of sexual behavior, people aren&#8217;t always as rational as they should be, and if you don&#8217;t know what the hell is happening or about to happen, how can you make a good choice? just saying no is not a very helpful option. even if a young person makes it out of their teen years without having had intercourse, not knowing anything about the details of sex and contraception doesn&#8217;t really help when you eventually are in a sexual situation.</p>
<p>you may believe in instructing your children about sex only at home, but not every parent is willing to do so. quite the contrary in many cases. what happens to those kids? the ones who have to figure it out themselves? i&#8217;d say chances are that many will make poor decisions in the heat of the moment. and please don&#8217;t think i don&#8217;t advocate sex ed at home, because i do.</p>
<p>if you are promoting &#8220;personal responsiblity&#8221; it is much easier to take responsiblity for your actions if you know what options are, and what the consequences will be if you choose certain options. i think knowledge is a better deterrent than being told not to do something &#8220;because it&#8217;s bad,&#8221; and unfortunately, that&#8217;s the information many kids get in their own homes.</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/08/male-activists-want-a-voice-in-unplanned-pregnancies/comment-page-2/#comment-88639</link>
		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam says, &lt;i&gt;&quot; Oral sex is no biggie with these kids..&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And I wonder where this idea of it not really being sex and not a big thing (no pun intended) could have come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam says, <i>&#8221; Oral sex is no biggie with these kids..&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And I wonder where this idea of it not really being sex and not a big thing (no pun intended) could have come from?</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/08/male-activists-want-a-voice-in-unplanned-pregnancies/comment-page-2/#comment-88638</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sanity- that leads us to the next step of this dicussion...STD&#039;s are on the rise in teenagers..I don&#039;t have the source, but I read that many of the kids spoken to about HIV don&#039;t believe it is a real threat.  Oral sex is no biggie with these kids..kinda shocking I would say!:o (do you get the pun I made by choosing this expression?);)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sanity- that leads us to the next step of this dicussion&#8230;STD&#8217;s are on the rise in teenagers..I don&#8217;t have the source, but I read that many of the kids spoken to about HIV don&#8217;t believe it is a real threat.  Oral sex is no biggie with these kids..kinda shocking I would say!<img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_ooooh.gif' alt='&#58;&#111;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#111;' /> (do you get the pun I made by choosing this expression?)<img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_wink.gif' alt='&#59;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#59;&#41;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Donkey Stomp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donkey Stomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Roe v. Wade for Men&lt;/strong&gt;

The morality of our country continues to decline thanks in part to many liberal legislations and court rulings such as Roe v. Wade. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Roe v. Wade for Men</strong></p>
<p>The morality of our country continues to decline thanks in part to many liberal legislations and court rulings such as Roe v. Wade.</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam says, &lt;i&gt;&quot;They not only can prevent pregnancy, but also reduce the risk of STD&#039;s!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Should say &lt;b&gt;reduce&lt;/b&gt; the risk of pregnancies also, since this is not foolproof either.

To those that say that who thinks of such things when in the heat of the moment...well stupidity while trying to drop your fly is not an excuse.

Plain and simple, you have sex, you run the risk of getting someone pregnant, whether you use &#039;protection&#039; or not.

Protection is not foolproof, it just lessens the chance of something happening, like pregnancy or getting an STD.

Lets flip this on its head so to speak.
Would you use a condom or &#039;protection&#039; to have sex with a known HIV or Aids infected person?

I wouldn&#039;t.
Do you so trust your protection to keep you that safe?

If you don&#039;t find it safe enough for having sex with something that could infect and kill you, why do you not take the same precautions when you could cause pregnancies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam says, <i>&#8220;They not only can prevent pregnancy, but also reduce the risk of STD&#8217;s!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Should say <b>reduce</b> the risk of pregnancies also, since this is not foolproof either.</p>
<p>To those that say that who thinks of such things when in the heat of the moment&#8230;well stupidity while trying to drop your fly is not an excuse.</p>
<p>Plain and simple, you have sex, you run the risk of getting someone pregnant, whether you use &#8216;protection&#8217; or not.</p>
<p>Protection is not foolproof, it just lessens the chance of something happening, like pregnancy or getting an STD.</p>
<p>Lets flip this on its head so to speak.<br />
Would you use a condom or &#8216;protection&#8217; to have sex with a known HIV or Aids infected person?</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t.<br />
Do you so trust your protection to keep you that safe?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t find it safe enough for having sex with something that could infect and kill you, why do you not take the same precautions when you could cause pregnancies?</p>
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		<title>By: Church and State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Church and State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Paternal Rights Expansion&lt;/strong&gt;

Most discussion, except for a few legitamate cases, will be in a language that I do not understand - Excusitis, where the more excuses one makes for their actions, the longer their nose will get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Paternal Rights Expansion</strong></p>
<p>Most discussion, except for a few legitamate cases, will be in a language that I do not understand &#8211; Excusitis, where the more excuses one makes for their actions, the longer their nose will get.</p>
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		<title>By: forest hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>forest hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about personal responsibility---Is there no reason it should not have the lead. 

I never had sex in high school because I was too young and didn&#039;t want babies. It&#039;s that damn simple.Control. 

For the dummies that think the world owes them a living and everything is free, try to focus on this one point first chance you get,  you&#039;re on the third rock from the sun. Utopia is out a bit further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about personal responsibility&#8212;Is there no reason it should not have the lead. </p>
<p>I never had sex in high school because I was too young and didn&#8217;t want babies. It&#8217;s that damn simple.Control. </p>
<p>For the dummies that think the world owes them a living and everything is free, try to focus on this one point first chance you get,  you&#8217;re on the third rock from the sun. Utopia is out a bit further.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe- Consider the source of the link.  It is Planned Parenthood!

What Lynda neglected to add is that condoms are not involved in this.  They are cheap and over the counter. They not only can prevent pregnancy, but also reduce the risk of STD&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe- Consider the source of the link.  It is Planned Parenthood!</p>
<p>What Lynda neglected to add is that condoms are not involved in this.  They are cheap and over the counter. They not only can prevent pregnancy, but also reduce the risk of STD&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Somers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Somers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the basis of the lawsuit is being misconstrued...this lawsuit should not apply to all cases but more so on a case by case basis.  If a man and woman have intercourse, they are both responsible for using protection..if they don&#039;t, then they both should have a say in the outcome of the pregnancy....bottom line.  As a child support paying father I can see both sides of this issue...I do not condone a man not taking responsibility for his actions but I do feel he should have a say in the results of those actions.  I do not feel that this lawsuit was intended for deadbeat dads to have a way of getting out of paying child support for childern that were born during a planned pregnancy or an unplanned pregnancy with parenthoodparenting intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the basis of the lawsuit is being misconstrued&#8230;this lawsuit should not apply to all cases but more so on a case by case basis.  If a man and woman have intercourse, they are both responsible for using protection..if they don&#8217;t, then they both should have a say in the outcome of the pregnancy&#8230;.bottom line.  As a child support paying father I can see both sides of this issue&#8230;I do not condone a man not taking responsibility for his actions but I do feel he should have a say in the results of those actions.  I do not feel that this lawsuit was intended for deadbeat dads to have a way of getting out of paying child support for childern that were born during a planned pregnancy or an unplanned pregnancy with parenthoodparenting intentions.</p>
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