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Hanging our flag upside down, underneath the Mexican flag
The hysteria and rage over the proposed federal immigration policies is getting more and more out of control. Michelle Malkin and Confederate Yankee both have posts up about this today that you should check out.
Is this about loving America as a country and wanting to be successful in their own right as an American citizen? Or is it about coming to this country, not becoming a legal citizen, working under the table without paying taxes, and sponging off public resources people who live here legally have funded with their taxes? I think it’s the latter, unfortunately.
This is absolutely outrageous, and we can thank, in part, our government’s lack of any meaningful strategy to combat illegal immigration (sorry, I refuse to call it “undocumented” immigration, which seems to be the new media buzzword) for contributing to what we see today. When you don’t treat illegal immigration as a problem and, in effect, cater to illegal immigrants by letting them know that they don’t have to learn our language, that they can get access to all the ‘free’ healthcare and other public services they want – which, by the way, drains the money away to the point that people who live here legally cannot get access to those public services, give a wink and a nod to businesses who hire illegal immigrants under the table, then yes – the problem is eventually going to reach a boiling point.
I’d like to stress that I have no problem with anyone who wants to come to this country to work and live here legally. It becomes an issue with me and others when people come to this country who do not want to play by the rules.
A friend of mine, a retired border patrol supervisor, sent along this email with his suggestions for what to do about this problem:
We have to resolve the 11+ million illegals that are here in the US now. It is correct that you can’t just round them up and throw them out. Even if the will was there the logistics aren’t. The only way that they can be sent home is for them to do it voluntarily.
A guest worker program is needed but what they are proposing won’t work for several reasons.
The claim is they are taking jobs no American wants. Why is that? The work is hard and the pay is low but they are forced to take them because they are illegal. What will happen when they are given a permit to work in the US for 3 years + an extension. They will move up to better jobs. Who will fill the jobs they vacated? Illegal aliens because no legal alien wants them either.
Here is the only way to make the guest worker program work.
The 1st order of business is to get Congress serious about stopping this flow. To actually do it will require several things to happen at once. There has to be a Guest Worker program. It should be run by the Homeland
Security and would have several steps.
- The employer would place an order for the number of workers he would need for the year. He would guarantee to provide Housing, Medical and a legal wage. He would also withhold FICA and income taxes. 50% of the worker’s net wages would be held in an escrow account and paid to the worker upon his return to Mexico at the end of his contract.
- All contracts would be issued in Mexico. The Homeland Security team would have their offices in Mexico (U.S. Consulates could be used) and would screen all applicants for contract for health problems or a criminal record. No family members would be allowed to enter the United States as dependents of the worker. A spouse could have her own contract but could not bring any children.
- Illegals presently working in the United States could have their employer request that they be given a contract under the new program, but they would have to return to Mexico to make application for the contract. (Self-deportation.)
- All contracts would be for one year or less and would have to be renewed in Mexico.
- Enact laws requiring severe mandatory fines ($5000 per alien) for hiring an illegal alien outside of the Guest Worker Program and aggressively enforce them.
If all of these things happened:
- The job market for illegals would be dried up and they would return to Mexico.
- The employers would have the labor they need.
- The worker’s would have decent wages, housing and medical benefits.
- City, County and State governments would be relieved of huge unfunded demands on their infrastructure.
- The workers would return home at the end of their contract to get paid the 50% of their wages in the escrow account.
Whadda ya think?
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I wonder how the MSM would handle this, if the illegals were taking on the tasks of reporters and editors?
When my Great Grand parents came to this country (Legally) they had to learn English, about how our Government works and some history of the United States before they became US citizens. This was true at the time for all immigrants this also helped to assimilate people into American society. If they do not respect our laws what can we expect of them lawlessness? Sister T said it right they are not the PC term Undocumented Workers they are Illegal Aliens and have no rights under our system. I also do not care if relations with Mexico are strained collect as many if not all Illegals and send them back. Yes a wall would be expensive but look at how a wall helped curb the suicide bombings in Israel by securing their boarder they can limit Palestinians access to their country.
This is a great proposal. This needs to be incorporated into the bill and then we shouldn’t have so many illegals coming to the US. I am a legal immigrant, United States citizen now. But I followed the rules and I pay my taxes for public services and it is outrageous that people who broke the law are just going to be forgiven and given a path to citizenship. It makes me ashamed to have politicians like Specter and Mccain who are totally out of touch with the reality. I will vote for Bill Frist during next presidential elections. Bush just disappoints me with his guest worker proposal. These illegals are not guests. They forced their way in because they knew they could enjoy the freedoms America offers and go unpunished for their lawlessness. Deport them all by making sure they end up leaving voluntarily.
is it American to deport folks who are just trying to make a living to support their families?
It is illegal to be here without going through the proper process. Period. You want to come here to better yourself? Fine. Follow the rules. Why should we give a pass to people who have already demonstrated that they don’t value our laws? If there were no procedures in place to emmigrate, you might have a point. But as there are such procedures, illegal aliens are, by definition, breaking the law. Build the damn fence already.
“is it American to deport folks who are just trying to make a living to support their families?”
Sure, why not? Is it American to deport people for breaking the laws of the land? Is it American to try and maintain some sense of order, and to limit the amount of chaos, crime, and monetary drain the legal citizens have to put up with? We are not a sugar daddy with endless resources, we’re not Santa Claus, we have our own problems and issues to deal with, and cannot and should not be the great handout in the sky for every poor person in the world.
It’s American to look out for our own citizens first.
Well I should rephrase what I meant If my CHILD was a citizen would it be fair to deport me or split us up because I broke the law just trying to support the kid?
tommy, it would be too bad because YOU put the kid in that situation. Put the repoinsibility where it belongs, on the law breaker, tommy.
PCD that sounds what JC would do
The Christian right…….. gotta love eh
Anyhow quitting time converse with youse MANANA.
tommy, no sounds like you being selfish, selfcentered, and incapable of accepting responsibility for your own actions. Just like a pothead, you can’t see that you are the problem, not the everyone else you blame for the problems you create because you can’t obey laws.
The part about throwing CEO’s in jail, I like. It’s silly to punish the undocumented worker for showing initiative, you don’t want to beat the capitalist out of them. But, you need to do something about NAFTA and CAFTA as well. Those free trade programs are exporting our standard of living and importing low wages. Peace
steve(fn); By undocumented worker, would you be referring to the illegal aliens in this post or are you referrencing the initiative displayed by the 9/11 hijackers?
tommy says: “PCD that sounds what JC would do The Christian right…….. gotta love eh ”
Typical cheap brainless leftist shot, tommy. The problem is – just as many Democrats feel that the illegal immigrant situation is a dire problem for this country. So your bleeding heart self is in the great minority on this one. (All the polls support my assertion) You are however, in solidarity with the majority of pandering polititians who seem to be afraid to tackle this problem head on, and deal decisively with the issue.
Seeing the full coverage of the protests, the signs accusing Whitey of stealing ‘their’ land, of being racist, and the disrespect to our country’s values, laws and heritage, I am even more convinced that we need to take immediate action to purge the illegals from our country. If we don’t, this country will be forever changed, and not for the better. I, for one, am thinking of what I can do to make sure I leave my children and grandchildren a country worth living in. I have financially supported the MinuteMan movement in the past, and will continue to do so, as I cannot give of my time right now. And finally, we all need to remember this issue when election time rolls around.
I wonder what the reaction would be if someone burned a Mexican flag.
This plan of the Presidents doesn’t make sense to me.
Lets look at it from a FLOOD point of view, or take it from flooding in New Orleans….
Do you try and disperse or sponge up water that floods your neighborhoods (doing something with illegal immigrants already in the US) meanwhile you are still being overwhelmed and flooded with even more water (Illegal Immigrants)?
Or
Do you STOP THE FLOW OF WATER (illegal immigrants) at the Source (The Border)?
If you want to stop the flooding, you stop the break in the dam the holds back the water and THEN you deal with the mess that it has made.
You MUST deal with the break in the Dam FIRST before addressing the problems the flood caused…
Building a fence across the Mexican border is a stupid idea. Just a very, very stupid idea. Fining and jailing the people who hire undocumented workers however, will work nicely. If they don’t have jobs, they will not come. Peace
well steve it helped cut down illegals coming into CA in the sections where the wall was built there.
Your funny steve.
If they dont have jobs they will sit on welfare, get govt handouts, ect.
Halt the flow, and then deal with the mess.
You don’t try and clean up something while it is still becoming a mess, you stop what is making the mess, then clean it up.
Build a wall, and mine the border with nasty anti-personnel mines.
Here’s the “amnesty” program we need: If you’re an illegal alien, you have 1 year to either leave the country or turn yourself in. After that, if we find you, we execute you, and dump your body on the border as a warning to others.
Baby born here not of US citizen parents, is NOT a citizen.
If you are one of the children born here, if you’re not 18, then back to your home country with your parents you go.
I mean, if you are one of the children born here before this rule change, if you’re not 18 then off you go.
>Here’s the “amnesty” program we need: If
>you’re an illegal alien, you have 1 year
>to either leave the country or turn
>yourself in. After that, if we find you,
>we execute you, and dump your body on
>the border as a warning to others.
Say, that’s fairly close to my own proposal. First, close the border except for immigration points. First thing you do when the basement’s flooded is shut off the water, right? Then, make illegal presence in the US a felony starting in six months. Anyone who registers and leaves before then, will be put on the list for immigration with no penalty. We might even appease the bleeding hearts by offering relocation assistance, especially if they take their families with them. In six months, start the guest worker program and hunt down any illegals remaining in America. Those caught will be deported and banned for life. I’m betting there’ll be a mad rush for the borders.
It would never fly Severian.
Too drastic.
My main concern would be to first stop the flow of illegal immigrants entering the country, this increases the security of our nation for one, and will stop those coming in with health or criminal backgrounds.
Next I would untie the hands ofthe police, and have them work closely with INS, allowing them to arrest and deport illegal immigrant criminals.
After which we can debate on what to do with the remain that are here to improve themselves or looking for a better life. I am all for suggestions, but if they have been here for a certain amount of time (sort of like squaters rights) I would say allow them to begin the process of citizenship legally, and incorporate them into American Society.
You can’t get on welfare if you have no documents. The last place an illegal person is going to go is to a government agency. Any country that builds a wall to keep people out is just stupid and nuts. They’ll dig tunnels, come by boat, parachute from airplanes, but they’ll get here. Fine and jail the people who hire them and when they can’t find work, they’ll go home or get papers. Peace
obviously you have no clue steve.
I see them in government buildings all the time and in the hospitals, ect.
Have you seen malkins list of illegal immigrant illegal documents that range from drivers licenses to social security cards?
In case steve hasn’t seen it, here it is.
>You can’t get on welfare if you have no
>documents.
Oh, documents you can get on Los Angeles street corners. No one checks them.
Hey Steve. It is not a stupid idea to build a fence. Look at the example of Israel. They built the wall so terrorists from Palestine couldn’t attack. We should learn from Israel because they don’t have issues with border because their army patrols it. We should have National Guard patrol the border like they already started in Arizona.
You don’t need to put up the fence along the whole border. Just put it up in the places like Arizona where most of illegals come through.
This will send the signal to Mexico and pro-immigrant supporters that US is serious about protecting its borders.
There is no such thing as undocumented worker. It is a myth. If you break the law, you pay. America is a nation of laws first and foremost. I played by the rules when I immigrated to America. I am a naturalized citizen and I am proud of being an American. People who protested and waived Mexican flags have no rights because they didn’t respect the laws to come here and therefore must be sent back, but some illegals who assimilated should be allowed to pay penalties and given an option to stay once they meet conditions like learn English, pay taxes etc. It should be one time deal though.
This is STILL AMERICA! taking down a flag in another country and replacing it with your own is a symbol of victory… Last I checked, we werent defeated by Mexico, altho in Texas you might think that with everyone who works with the puplic having to learn Spanish, Im sorry but I REFUSE to conform like my WEAK collegues, if I go to Germany I’ll learn German… not expect them to know English while I’m there.
Just a side note here tho… There are VERY VERY few countries that would let you off as easily for something this outrageous…
Illegals should be given a year to get out (ALL nationalities)no more coming to America and having kids so your children will be legal citizens.
Only a SPECIFIC number of people can become legal citizens of the U.S. each quarter of the year.
If your not an illegal alien then please learn some basic english, you live here, you should conform to some degree. Frankly I am getting tired of people screaming broken cryptic impossible to understand English because they are frusterated and think that somehow YELLING the same *words?* will help me understand them.
These people are Hispanic, and like any group they stick together. If you think your trapped underpaid discriminated against or whatever… Find a bilengual friend, learn english (if you plan on staying here) get yourself an education (G.E.D. or Diploma) go job hunting, get a better job, go to colledge, get an even better job, climb the ladder, better yourself, translate these tips for non-english speaking friends and family and respect the country you live in.
Hopefully this helps you out and isnt taken too offensively, and I apologize for the abrasive comments my fellow americans have left here (The flag situation has left alot of people very unhappy)
-The American Mut-
I want to respond to a few posters here first.
American Mutt; good comments, but please dont apologize for American Citizens en masse.
You are correct about the flag business. the recent protests by the illegals and the things they said are very troubling. I honestly think they want a war with us. I am more than willing to give it to them.
Severian; I like your idea, unfortunately we probably will not see that happen.
Our politicians seem to love them more than citizens of this country.
Steve; Yes, again, unfortunately the illegals can and do get on welfare, as well as unemployment, enter our public schools and burden every other social institution that you can think of.
In a time like this when the United States is hemorraging jobs to every 3rd world country on the planet (3 million jobs just in manufacturing)and record trade deficits to the tune of 7.2 billion and 50 million American have no health insurance. We are embroilled in the bush war on top of all of that.
The citizens of the United States of America are pissed off. And now we have to stand by and watch illegal immigrants hold protests against us, burn our flag and have the gaul to tell us to go home to Europe.
Simply put; MAKE US.
We conqured this country, we fought for and took this land from, yes the Native Americans, England, France, and Spain.
Get you an army togther and bring it on…Im sure we wouldnt have any trouble at all finding people willing to fight for OUR country.