Not everyone. I started taking the bus myself.

So. Steve is wrong again.

That’s the way universal health care provided by the government works, they ration care by massive delays, hoping you’ll die before they have to treat you.

Also, in a system like that, the “coin of the realm” for getting better service is position and influence. In the US system, it’s money. Guess which is the most fair? Money, people can choose to get insurance, they can choose to pay for medical car instead of other items, they can earn money, but you can’t easily earn influence and position, that depends on who you are and who you know.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

If you want to wait five years for operations and tests that take five months here in America, feel free to emigrate to Canada or Great Britain, where at least the people will understand youwhen you complain about the shoddy health service.

There is a point to this comment Steve. It’s not just Toyota’s I’m talking about. Everything will go up in price dramatically and the people who are making minimum wage wil lbe able to afford just as much as they used to be able to afford. So they don’t gain. But… will someone be hurt? Yes. Those people living on fixed income or saved retirement funds. Thier funds will NOT go as far as they used to.

As usual Steve your solution would hurt more, cause more misery and probably more death as those people who are elderly and living on those funds wouldn’t be able to afford to live.

First I would like to know where you come up with the exact figure of $17.30/hr for minimum wage. Why not $20/hr or $25/hr?

Second, Minimum wage is supposed to be the minimum starting wage for a unskilled worker.

If liberals assign your type of thinking to minimum wage you will bankrupt America within 2 years.

Why do I say that?
Because Raising minumum wage up that much will guarantee that the following will happen:

* Big Business will move thier base of operations oversea, and whatever production work that needs to be done will move with them. Unemployment in America will scyrocket as plants and businesses close thier doors to more friendly business orientated countries. Instead of cutting outsourcing you would force the biggest push for businesses to outsource jobs that America has ever seen. If you want outsourcing to stop, you have to make conditions more favorable for a business to stay and keep jobs here than somewhere else, which means tax cut incentives for increased jobs, plants, expansion, ect.

* Those that cannot afford the move (smaller businesses) will cut thier work force, low end jobs in companies will be be cut, individuals with alot more experience will be expected to take on 2 to 3 times the amount of work they normally would because of the cutbacks. This would also kill off many chances of new graduates from College, let alone just a high school degree, in finding any worthwhile job.

* Contracting will be used more. They will higher a select few individuals to do a certain job for a few weeks and when it is done they will not renew or higheer the contractee, who will be back out there looking for another job.

* Products and goods would skyrocket to help recover the cost of a massive increase in minimum wage. So you would get paid more but prices for goods and services would most likely triple to help recoup the costs.

I am all for raising the minimum wage up some, and I believe their is something going in Michigan to raise it to $7.50 I think. I have no problem with that.

Also if minumum wage is raised, even by the amount I mentioned just above, do you think companies should give raises to all employyees working more than minimum wage if a minimum raise hike came about?

Meaning if I make $10/hr and they raise minimum wage to $7.50, do you think I should get a bump in pay just as much as the minimum wage did?

If not, how fair is that to the person who has worked hard to get to that point only to have some fresh new hirer with no experience come in and get paid just about as much as you have that have worked and have more experience?

First thing steve’s EVER said that makes any sense, I think. We should all mark this day on our calendars.

>It is also time to raise the minimum
>wage to $17.30

Well, that “moment of clarity” wasn’t destined to last very long, I suppose.

Yeah, we can’t allow any of that free trade stuff to go on. Why, that leads to competition, the bane of Socialism. Next thing you know, people are paying less for goods, foreign markets are opening, and they get into capitalism, which leads to democracy… and the dream of a worldwide nanny government goes right down the tubes. Can’t have that happen, right, steve?

As I said on my own blog: “There’s no such thing as a job American workers won’t do — only a wage American employers won’t pay.” The only reason illegals accept those wages is that they have no legal status; they can’t complain or strike or look for a better job. Give them legal status, and employers will have to pay standard wages to keep them anyway. The whole thing is a sham.

Remember when they keep telling you illegal immigrants are doing the jobs no one else wants to (which is incorrect also)? Well how many “big” business’s are doing jobs no one wants to?

Again steve, quit giving lies as facts.

Democrats, masters of “no” theater.

good show.