Several Amendments by Republicans were not allowed even to get to the floor because of Reid.

There was also seveal loopholes in that bill that needs to be corrected.

I need ot find a copy of what the bill consisted of, and post the loopholes found in the bill that benefited illegals staying in this country.

Needed is:

* Border Enforcement.

* Lock down the border tight to stop the flow of illegals.

One this has happened THEN you should worry about what to do with the illegals in this country. By trying to decide what to do with illegals before you even stop the flow is moronic.

Again, you don’t let the Dam contine to flood the city and sit there trying to figure out how ot pump the water out of hte city…that is stupid.

* Revise the immigration procedures for coming into America.

* Felony, Fines and Jail time for Businesses that knowingly employee illegal immigrants.

* Redo / revise the way businesses check citizenship for new hires. Make it so fraudulent SSN and Drivers Licenses cannot get a pass.

* Redo / revise the Social Security Number system. It seem to be to easy to duplicate, making it easy for Identity theft and illegals to obtain work.

* Get more people of the borders for enforcement. Get more people in INS for investigations of businesses / corporations that hire illegals, that deal with the millions that push through paperwork, to track immigrants, backgrounds, medical, movement..ect.

There is alot of things that need to be done. Not just locking up CEO’s as steve would say. There is ALOT that needs to be done to revise and revamp the immigration system.

If it was easy, it would have been done by now.
But it doesn’t help having politicans pandering to illegals. Which causes me to worry, since if they are pandering to a group that cannot vote, his means they have a plan to give illegals the US citizens right to vote.

Think about it.

And we will deal with whoever doesn’t deal with illegal immigration. Whether they be the left or the slightly left of center Republicans.

I wonder how you will react when we finally have a working conservative majority in Congress (hint- we don’t yet except for on taxes)

And yes, we fight liberals with our words because they are the ones making the case for no borders (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism A.N.S.W.E.R. & Doctors without borders) and they are the ones (Ted Kennedy) out there with the protesters speaking. Did you hear Ted Kennedy addressing the crowd solitaire? Or did you miss that?

BTW, I don’t know anyone here who watches Fox only. As a typical liberal you’ll continue with inaccurate accusations because you can’t offer ideas and solutions I suppose. ST herself just offered up a WaPo article. She frequently links many news organizations. I can’t remember the last one that was a Fox News one. But I suppose it makes you feel better to attack and make false allegations. Doesn’t it? Big man solitiare. Not debating.

You speak as a politican looking for votes, not for upholding the Law.
You should be ashamed to pander to illegals who are not or should not be able to vote. But I am sure if the Democrats have their way, these illegal immigrants will have their ‘ri…

Screw the law. Except for the ones that say Bush can’t surveille the enemy (oh. I mean wire tap the enemy. oh. I mean wire tap citizens of this country). Then the law matters even though Bush is following the law because he isn’t doing what the liberals characterize he is doing.

You can’t have employers be the enforcer of immigration laws. We (business ownwers) can only do our due dilligence and obtain the information that we are supposed to. If the “illegal” immigrant is using fake ssn’s then the business owner can only follow through with hiring (or not hiring for some other reaons).

I don’t hire anyone with my business so no need to think I’m saying anything that I’m not.

Additionally, there are whole bunches of square miles in CA that are inhabited by “illegal” immgigrants. I work for WIC here in CA and know this because WIC provides benefits to non-citizens. You don’t need to show anything to receive benefits except a photo ID and proof of income (to verify that you are 185% below poverty level). In those square miles of residences there is no large employer employing these people. They have become pretty self sufficient and own their own businesses and are a whole communicty on to themselves.

It is often thought that Walmart was one violater. But this isn’t true. It was the contractor who did Walmart’s floors who was the hirer of illegal immigrants. Not only was Walmart held liable to the tune of 11 million dollars (when Walmart had no legal way of knowing who was hired by the other company) but to protect themselves Walmart now doesn’t use a contractor to have their floors done. They hire employees so they can do the due diligence themselves.

What am I trying to say? Sure there is some aspect of employers that could be INCLUDED as part of a COMPREHENSIVE illegal immigration bill but it would be a small part and would only have SOME impact.

The simplistic solutions from the extreme right and left will never work; there are enough laws on the books right now to enable effective control of the problem the real issue is the will to enforce the laws already in place.

As I have stated in other forums one real way to effectively control the problem is to cut off the supply of illegal jobs, this would encourage people to get in line and immigrate legally.

The scumbags that want a cheap maid or gardener or picker of crops are the ones that perpetuate this inequitable system. They in turn need to be the ones to pay the price. Prosecute those low lifers and most of the problem will go away.

The heat and fire generated by this issue is, I believe hiding the true tragedy of this issue that is the human toll that the whole thing is generating, from the people who loose their lives crossing the borders, to those that are persecuted once they get here to those that are suffering in sub standard conditions of work. Additionally at the other end the costs to the whole community in providing health care, education and law enforcement, these are cost borne by us all.

Prosecute the employers first, stop people from risking their lives crossing and make available a workable immigration system that is the way to end this whole mess.

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My friend and I went downtown yesterday to the state capital in Columbia, SC, to protest and observe the immigration rally, which was one of many that took place across the country. It was staged and neatly packaged as an “Immigration Rally”, but it…

Primarily, I want our border secured. Build a double fence from San Diego to the mouth of the Rio Grande and patrol it night and day with armed soldiers, vehicles, helicopters, and unmanned spy planes. No compromises on that issue.

On the other hand, I have a lot of sympathy for so many of the illegal immigrants. I worked with a church ESL program for quite a while and most of the people that I dealt with were illegal immigrants. I became good friends with some of them. They fled a corrupt country, Mexico, where no matter how hard they worked, they could never get ahead. Most Americans just would not believe the grinding poverty that so many Mexicans live in.

If I lived in a tin and tarpaper shack in Ciudad Juarez and couldn’t feed my family, would I illegally emigrate to the United States? I have to say that my answer is yes.

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Do you support a caste system, such as that in some parts of India, in which automatic entry into the system necessitates a permanent second/third class status?

Doesn’t the promotion and support of lower class wages and doing “those” jobs contain an inherent racist and classist concept?

And lastly, isn’t that concept anti-American?