Comments on: Flag burning amendment fails by one vote http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:25:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Marshall Art http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-239989 Marshall Art Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:20:12 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-239989 I say again, this issue tilts me both ways...on the flag burning issue that is. Though I don't feel the need personally for such an amendment, I understand the passion of those who sincerely back it and wouldn't have a problem with it passing. However, I must thank Jim M for the overlooked angle of burning one's own property. That's a good point for sure. Goes to my enforcement conundrum. However, this amendment would have no impact on other forms of free speech. It is specific to this one special symbol. It doesn't neccessarily threaten any other forms of expression. Whether or not is passes is small potatoes to me (and here I use the "po-TAH-toes" pronunciation, just for fun). I say again, this issue tilts me both ways…on the flag burning issue that is. Though I don’t feel the need personally for such an amendment, I understand the passion of those who sincerely back it and wouldn’t have a problem with it passing. However, I must thank Jim M for the overlooked angle of burning one’s own property. That’s a good point for sure. Goes to my enforcement conundrum. However, this amendment would have no impact on other forms of free speech. It is specific to this one special symbol. It doesn’t neccessarily threaten any other forms of expression. Whether or not is passes is small potatoes to me (and here I use the “po-TAH-toes” pronunciation, just for fun).

]]> By: Malcor http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-238896 Malcor Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:28:45 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-238896 I posted this elsewhere. I hope no-one minds me reposting it here. I see no need for such an Amendment. As far as I am concerned, things are perfectly fine the way they are now. When someone retard takes his lighter to Old Glory as a form of 'protest', it does two things to me. The first is that it makes me angry and the second is that it makes me glad. It makes me angry that some young punk thinks he or she is incredibly clever because they have to senselessly destroy the very icon of what gives them the right to do so in the first place. In that sense, it's a bit ironic, but that in no way staves off the fury. It makes me glad because I don't have to wonder who is and who isn't an extremist buffoon. By the very act, they have pointed out for everyone to see <b>exactly</b> what kind of person they are. That's worth it, right there, to me. It would be tantamount to one of the insurgents in Iraq who, while previously hiding in a crowd from our troops suddenly jumped up, whooped "Allahu Akbar!" and shot a few AK rounds into the sky. Thank you, asshat, for identifying yourself ahead of time instead of lying in wait or going unnoticed until you could inflict some <b>real</b> damage. Any time an enemy wants to identify themselves so clearly and openly rather than skulk about in the shadows to create mayhem later is fine by me. As for burning it... the joke's on them, that's how one brings our flag to its honorable end. Though they may not know it, they are performing the same physical act as one who gives the flag its highest honor, even if their motives are crude and vile. I posted this elsewhere. I hope no-one minds me reposting it here.

I see no need for such an Amendment. As far as I am concerned, things are perfectly fine the way they are now.

When someone retard takes his lighter to Old Glory as a form of ‘protest’, it does two things to me. The first is that it makes me angry and the second is that it makes me glad.

It makes me angry that some young punk thinks he or she is incredibly clever because they have to senselessly destroy the very icon of what gives them the right to do so in the first place. In that sense, it’s a bit ironic, but that in no way staves off the fury.

It makes me glad because I don’t have to wonder who is and who isn’t an extremist buffoon. By the very act, they have pointed out for everyone to see exactly what kind of person they are. That’s worth it, right there, to me. It would be tantamount to one of the insurgents in Iraq who, while previously hiding in a crowd from our troops suddenly jumped up, whooped “Allahu Akbar!” and shot a few AK rounds into the sky. Thank you, asshat, for identifying yourself ahead of time instead of lying in wait or going unnoticed until you could inflict some real damage. Any time an enemy wants to identify themselves so clearly and openly rather than skulk about in the shadows to create mayhem later is fine by me.

As for burning it… the joke’s on them, that’s how one brings our flag to its honorable end. Though they may not know it, they are performing the same physical act as one who gives the flag its highest honor, even if their motives are crude and vile.

]]> By: Jim M http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-238851 Jim M Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:47:01 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-238851 I have to agree with Sis T burning the American flag in protest of policy or what ever is protected under the First Amendment. This is scary to think it failed by one vote this shows how little our Senators understand our Constitution or is it the public? Do we really want the Government to have the power to tell us how, when and what speech is acceptable to protest? Are we also going to tell people what to do with there personal property another words if someone buys the flag it is their property isn't it? The flag burning amendment is very popular but we are not a Democracy (Mob Rule) we are a Republic of laws and the First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. Even if that speech is unpopular remember you have the right to freedom of speech but that doesn't mean we have to listen or watch. I also detest the burning of the American flag in protest but those that would burn it have the right to freedom of Speech and the right to destroy their personal property. I have to agree with Sis T burning the American flag in protest of policy or what ever is protected under the First Amendment. This is scary to think it failed by one vote this shows how little our Senators understand our Constitution or is it the public? Do we really want the Government to have the power to tell us how, when and what speech is acceptable to protest? Are we also going to tell people what to do with there personal property another words if someone buys the flag it is their property isn’t it? The flag burning amendment is very popular but we are not a Democracy (Mob Rule) we are a Republic of laws and the First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. Even if that speech is unpopular remember you have the right to freedom of speech but that doesn’t mean we have to listen or watch. I also detest the burning of the American flag in protest but those that would burn it have the right to freedom of Speech and the right to destroy their personal property.

]]> By: Karl http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-238807 Karl Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:00:59 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-238807 I am with ST on this. I hate flag burning and fly mine with pride, but I oppose any constitutional meddling about it. That is not the job of the constitution. One interesting, if over looked part of this is the breakdown of who voted for it. My blog has the roll call list. To have gotten so many people to cross the aisle (52 republicans, 14 democrats) and vote for this is astounding to me. I expected the vote to be along party lines. The issue is a hot one, with a surprising amount of popular support.and we will see it again soon... I am with ST on this. I hate flag burning and fly mine with pride, but I oppose any constitutional meddling about it. That is not the job of the constitution.

One interesting, if over looked part of this is the breakdown of who voted for it. My blog has the roll call list. To have gotten so many people to cross the aisle (52 republicans, 14 democrats) and vote for this is astounding to me. I expected the vote to be along party lines.

The issue is a hot one, with a surprising amount of popular support.and we will see it again soon…

]]> By: Iowa Voice http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-238787 Iowa Voice Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:07 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-238787 <strong>Flag Burning Amendment Fails To Pass Senate</strong> The Senate failed by one vote to pass the flag burning amendment: A constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration fell one vote short of the 67-vote threshold needed for Senate passage and referral to the states. The proposed amendment, sponsore Flag Burning Amendment Fails To Pass Senate

The Senate failed by one vote to pass the flag burning amendment:

A constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration fell one vote short of the 67-vote threshold needed for Senate passage and referral to the states.

The proposed amendment, sponsore

]]> By: PCD http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-238595 PCD Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:17:15 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-238595 Burning the flag is a metaphor for burning down the US. It is pure hate of the US. I firmly believe that if you are a US Citizen who burns a flag in so called free speech protest, that you should lose your citizenship and be deported to the country of your choice or one matching your political beliefs. Burning the flag is a metaphor for burning down the US. It is pure hate of the US.

I firmly believe that if you are a US Citizen who burns a flag in so called free speech protest, that you should lose your citizenship and be deported to the country of your choice or one matching your political beliefs.

]]> By: CZ http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-238579 CZ Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:04:37 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-238579 Burning the flag is a 'hate crime' just as burning a cross. What works for one should work for the other. Burning a flag is very offensive to me. It expresses hatred of freedom and disrespects all who fought and died for it. Besides, burning a flag creates greenhouse gasses that cause global warming. Anybody know what the health effects are of second-hand smoke from a burning flag? God Bless America **== Burning the flag is a ‘hate crime’ just as burning a cross. What works for one should work for the other.

Burning a flag is very offensive to me. It expresses hatred of freedom and disrespects all who fought and died for it.

Besides, burning a flag creates greenhouse gasses that cause global warming.

Anybody know what the health effects are of second-hand smoke from a burning flag?

God Bless America **==

]]> By: Marshall Art http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-238035 Marshall Art Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:47:11 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-238035 Disposal is one thing, desecration quite another. I vasilate (in the privacy of my own home, of course) on this issue. The most offended by such displays are vets, and on their behalf I support the notion. However, it's another easy way to identify a**holes. I don't agree that free speech allows for absolutely anything, and I don't believe that restricting this one activity puts much of a damper on free speech anyway. Also, aside from all that, how would enforcement actually work? Disposal is one thing, desecration quite another. I vasilate (in the privacy of my own home, of course) on this issue. The most offended by such displays are vets, and on their behalf I support the notion. However, it’s another easy way to identify a**holes. I don’t agree that free speech allows for absolutely anything, and I don’t believe that restricting this one activity puts much of a damper on free speech anyway. Also, aside from all that, how would enforcement actually work?

]]> By: camojack http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-237914 camojack Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:13:08 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-237914 Actually, burning is a proper way to dispose of old flags. Just sayin'... **== Actually, burning is a proper way to dispose of old flags. Just sayin’… **==

]]> By: No Flag Burning Amendment at 4thelittleguy.com http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-237790 No Flag Burning Amendment at 4thelittleguy.com Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:40:35 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-237790 [...] Hot Air Stop the ACLU Sister Toldjah [...] [...] Hot Air Stop the ACLU Sister Toldjah [...]

]]> By: benning http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-237681 benning Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:24:37 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/27/flag-burning-amendment-fails-by-one-vote/#comment-237681 There are enough laws on the books that make burning a flag in public difficult if not impossible. If our elected officials would tell the police to do their damned jobs, flag burning would not happen often. Get a permit or be arrested! Follow the laws regarding burning or get arrested! Sheesh! No more Barbara Streisand about an Amendment! :-w There are enough laws on the books that make burning a flag in public difficult if not impossible. If our elected officials would tell the police to do their damned jobs, flag burning would not happen often. Get a permit or be arrested! Follow the laws regarding burning or get arrested!

Sheesh! No more Barbara Streisand about an Amendment! :-w

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