Human Liver Grown In Test Tube From Stem Cells

This is potentially huge, as within a decade and a half they predict being able to grow whole livers, and in much less time than that be able to grow enough to act as a repair for damaged livers in human patients.

The liver is grown from, guess what? Umbilical cord stem cells. Another very promising, stunning actually, positive result that isn’t based on Embryonic Stem Cells.

- The Left is always going on about GOP spending, which is another pure strawman. They spend as much, or more, its just that they spend on social programs, at the cost of everything else. Bush is driving them nutz, because in spite of a costly war, he’s actually outspent the Dems by a record amount on their pet programs, which really harshes their mellow.

- BOT – Fox claims he hasn’t read the initiative “in it’s entirety”. Maybe. I’d have to buy the idea that he’s that gullible, to jump feet first into this issue, spending his celeb on a cause he hasn’t even researched. I suppose it’s possible, but you’d have to say, now that it’s true wording, and meaning, has been outed, that would be an awfully coveinient exit.

- Bang

This despite the fact that he told the world that he hadn’t ever read the legislation in question?

Please.

“Steele and Talent are for adult stem cell research…”

Steele is also for non-destructive embryonic stem cell research.

Ma’am, one of your buzz-phrases is, “Think about it.”

Go ahead, think about it.

This is sort of a weird way of putting things. I’m not sure if it was government scientists that produced a polio vaccine or private companies who did (with or without government funding), but there are a hundred times more discoveries, inventiond, patents etc due to companies and individuals rather than the research and development done by “government”. Government is mostly involved in providing for the defense (20% of federal expenditures) and providing for social services (50% of federal expenditures) and with the remaining 30% providing veterans benefits, other health programs, educational dollars to the state, nutrition dollars, etc. The 13 trillion dollar economy in “America” has a wealth of smart people in great companies doing great research. Government should step back and let these companies compete in the marketplace without providing “funding” to a “chosen” “winner” company based on no results but some evaluators choosing who wrote up the best looking Proposal to the government for the lowest price.

If it is true that government scientists produced the polio vaccine that is great anecdotal evidence but NOT a overwhelming case for the general purpose of shifting government expenditures to choose winner and loser companies to award dollars to in advances in technology nor a reason for government to shift priorities from defense or the social services it has a hard time providing already towards newfangled unproven theories that groupthink dictates we all focus on for this moment in time.

JILL without due diligence made the accusation, “that became loaded down with more tax cuts for the super wealthy and who knows what else.”

Class warfare rhetoric is typical of lefty debate tactics. I’m not going to generalize you Jill as a liberal but the tactic itself is not productive to the debate especially since there was no reference to prove your CLAIM and it’s a common claim by liberals that generally pan out to be UNTRUE. Note: The caps and bold are not yelling but a stress of important words.

Jill wrote, “and who knows what else.”

And there were racist, sexist, anti-environment, anti-gay riders in the bill. Those wascally wepublicans…

Again also, Fox isn’t relevant. What is relevant is the issue and candidates. Fox may be 10 times smarter than you or I on the issue. However, the issue and the candidate Talent and Steele are being misrepresented in the ad.

BTW, Hope you read my 2:20 PM post and are for my cause. Are you?

I don’t think liberals “care” more than conservatives. Generally, I believe both sides care. That’s actually why I pointed out the full video. I thought the excerpt was not representative of the case and I felt everyone should have a chance to listen to his full case. I think enough of it is available in that video and if it doesn’t change anyone’s mind, it doesn’t.

I assume that MJF is a generally intelligent person and, like most generally intelligent people I know, that he did research into something that means life or death to him. My dog needed a TPLO on her leg and I promise you I know more about that procedure than anyone else except for vets and other dog owners who have had to go through it. Since that was minor and I had only a week to prep for it and she was in rehab for three months, I can assure you my knowledge would grow with the length of time I have to deal with it. He has had this illness for 15 years.

Steele and Talent are for adult stem cell research and that is brought up in his interview. He is saying the embryonic lines that have been used for research are contaminated and old. If you are against it for ethical reasons, that is something else but saying it hasn’t proved out seems to be dismissive of the long hard road of science (no I’m not a scientist but my father was – part of the time in the aerospace industry and there is a LOT of patience there). Perhaps you are right and our government can no longer provide good research – America is certainly falling behind in a lot of areas. There was a time government funding produced the polio vaccine and everyone got their vaccination for free but those were different times.

Cardin is for ESC research. He voted against the bill (I believe it was his own bill, in fact) that became loaded down with more tax cuts for the super wealthy and who knows what else. I’m sure everyone here is savvy enough into the political game bills have become that to say someone voted against a bill doesn’t even mean you know what the bill was about.

Okay – that’s all. I am spending my day off with this but I think this is my last round and I’m off the computer.

Boiling it down to either of those two issues is what muddies the water and does disservice to the debate. I recognize that some conservatives come off looking mean, but there are plenty of liberals who are very condescending on this issue and if you take away those groups of people you essentially have the typical conservative versus liberal debate about the role of government funding and or the private sector and bio ethics and differing views about the science and facts….

Bang wrote, “It might also alert him in the future that the Dems, hard Left in particular, will do, say, and use anyone, to regain power. ”

I believe you are right. And to the extent that liberals have misinformed and used African Americans, Fox, and others it basically builds a house of cards that easily falls given more and better information (clarity). Conservatives need to take a lesson from this and generally strive for clarity, facts, common sense and not be knee jerk.

I know I tend to have a gut feel and react based on my own knee jerk reactions myself sometimes but we as conservatives are much better being pursuasive when we research and find out the facts and do the due diligence that the drive-by legacy media types fail to do.

- Fox is an introspective guy. If he starts to get the feeling he’s been scammed, which he most definately has, he’ll be the first to recognize it.

- What he’ll do, or say, is a tough call. When your back is against the wall, with a very bleek future to face, you’ll clutch at any straw. I think that would explain his tendency to dive in, short on information. It might also alert him in the future that the Dems, hard Left in particular, will do, say, and use anyone, to regain power. He may not have believed that before, or his personal plight, and a driving desperation, might have blinded him to the usual political manipulations you always have to be aware of when anyone asks you to support something as devisive as this issue is.

- Bang

Apparently, if you’re a liberal, getting a disease or condition is the equivalent of staying at a Holiday Inn Express the night before, you become an instant expert!

I think Bill Gates should make a commercial denouncing any candidate that has opposed government funding of computer and software companies or I think an actor who has a disease and is well known should take on this effort. Are you fellow computer geeks with me or against me?

Charge!!! (Meaning let’s rackup that debt – because as long as we are well meaning priorities and the constitution doesn’t matter)

Nor does it make you unsusceptible to being misinformed about the opposing candidates point of view like Jim Talent’s or Michael Steele’s. I suspect the “well intentioned” Michael J. Fox has been misinformed as what Mr. Fox is saying doesn’t match up to Jim Talent’s or Michael Steele’s or for that matter most thinking researching conservative’s opinions on the matter….

There may be a day when the good Mr. Fox does talk to and listen to a conservative’s point of view and realizes he may need to issue an apology for misrepresenting the opposing candidate’s points of view in these races. Because it is about the issue and candidates and to muddy things instead of provide clarity is not useful to the election or future discussions.

It isn’t about Fox. It’s about the issue and the candidates stand on the issue.

jillbryant wrote, “I’m sure MJF knows more about stem cell research than most of us – not because he is in entertainment but because he suffers from Parkinson’s. That makes sense to me. Think about it.”

Again. Not about Fox. I’m sure he might even though I’ve read more about Ammedment 2 than Fox and read over 200 pages of information about it in the last 5 years (since the drive-by legacy press hammered Bush pre 9/11 in the year 2001).

Respectfully, It’s a difference of perspective. Dean Barnett who has cystic fybrosis and could benefit from breakthroughs feels the same as I and many others that government funding of adult and or embyonic stem cell research is neither as promising as proponents make it cracked up to be as a polical sword/weapon and that private research to fill the demand for the cure with a supply of cure is where this stuff should be taking place. Additionally, people do have issues with respect to ethics including MANY doctors like Dr. Mary Davenport with respect to cloning the embryos or using the practice of cloning or enshrining it into the Missourri constitution as an ammendment.

Respectfully Jill, The issue isn’t what you or the drive-by legacy press are making the American populace believe that conservatives are against research and or against research with emryonic stem cells. The issues lie in making new embryos and government funding. It’s how most issues between conservatives and liberals come down. Liberals feel like they “care” more because they are for government taking more money from you and me to fund things that are “well intentioned” and that conservatives don’te “care” because we aren’t for that kind of policy. It comes down to that for almost every issue.

It doesn’t mean that conservatives “care” less no matter how many times you read misrepresentations from drive by legacy types. It means we have a difference of opinion on the way to implement solutions. You might be able to find some anecdotal evidence of some kneejerk conservatives to make a point about conservatives “caring” less but we can always find the liberals who are lying and misrepresenting any issue we talk about to get voters to think conservatives don’t “care”.

I suspect that you are like me. One who wants clarity on the issues. I was a liberal pre 1991 the year I went to the library 3 times a week for a year and had a core beliefs change.

Since then clarity is what I strive for on the issues that matter to me.

Others include political talking heads and publishers, lawyers and wall street types.

But not a single research scientist to be found.

All I can think is that the bill he voted against had other stipulations attached to it (for example, how ending the estate tax has minimum wages attached to it – btw, estate tax was started by Teddy Roosevelt – sorry – off topic).

Think about it – does it make sense Fox would do ANYTHING against getting stem cell research passed?

By the way Tom TB – I’m sure MJF knows more about stem cell research than most of us – not because he is in entertainment but because he suffers from Parkinson’s. That makes sense to me. Think about it.