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Anti-war left on war critics changing their tunes on Iraq: We don’t wanna hear it!
I just read this wallowing-in-negativity piece from the “Horse’s Mouth” over at the Talking Points Memo blog and was once again struck by how the anti-war left refuses to concede that 1) the surge is generating progress in Iraq and 2) that there indeed are war critics out there who are admitting to that.
It’s almost as if they’re wishing things weren’t turning around in Iraq, doesn’t it? Essentially, they’re defiantly claiming, “There aren’t as many war critics conceding that the surge is bearing fruit as the media claims there are!” It’s denial at its most blatant. They know that these stories coming out about war critics acknowledging progress in Iraq are causing support for the surge to grow in the polls, and they’re getting panicky.
Over the years as the war in Iraq has produced mixed results, the left has bristled strongly at the suggestion that they were ‘hoping for failure’ in Iraq. Between House Majority Whip Clyburn’s admission that a good progress report from General Petraeus would be “a problem” for the anti-war Democrats in the House, similar comments from Senator Carl Levin, and the denial we’re seeing from the anti-war left constituency on the progress being made from the surge and the fact that there are war critics who are admitting it, I don’t think that’s really even questionable nor objectionable anymore.
Cross-posted at Carol Platt Liebau’s blog, where I will be guest blogging for the next week.
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S.T. perceptively asks:
Well, look. When somebody’s been arguing for a long time that something is so, it morphs into a belief system. And once that happens, there’s no turning back. Every factoid must be jimmied into the belief system in some way.
And when two belief systems clash (the surge is working/no it’s not) invectives are hurled, ad hominem attacks occur, and food fights break out.
Remember the “spheres within spheres” as those who clung to the notion that the sun revolves around the earth created in their increasingly desperate attempts to avoid falling into the precipace of heliocentrism?
“Eppur si muove”
Well I cannot speak for all of the anti-war left as we are a loosely connected group of critical thinkers who rarely agree in all matters. But speaking for myself, and a few others whose opinion I have been privy to, we naturally assume that General Petraeus will give the report that the Bush administration wants him to give.
We do not, for an instant, believe that they would all be standing around calmly awaiting a report that may tell them that everything that they hoped for was a giant failure.
So Petraeus will give his report and then it will be lauded by the right and attacked by the left and we will all continue playing this desperate game while Americans continue to sacrifice their lives for either a lie or, if you prefer, a mistake.
And yes I can speak to the fact that no matter what Petraeous says I will remain anti-war. And I am certainly not alone.
Thank you for the opportunity to address your question.
Naturally, of course. In other words, not open-minded to the fact that his report could be spot on.
Exactly Ryan. The facts are completely irrelevant to them. All that matters is they hate the President and conceding any kind of success in Iraq would completely clash with that.
What of the democrats who recently went to Iraq Gryphen? Some of them came back speaking positively of the surge and what’s going on in Iraq. Are they “lap dogs” for Bush too?
NC – The only truth many on the left accept is that which conforms to their thinking. This is why I always laugh when they talk about conservatives being “close minded.” Whatever. Here we have a flat out admittance of being close minded.
And I can certainly assure you that I will support our action in Iraq and see it as just as important to our security as Afghanistan. And I am certainly not alone.
Is Greg Sargent a commie? Why is he so interested in not seeing progress? Is there a benefit to him?
Loosely connected to what Gryphen? Ever so adroit at reality avoidance…..
Now there’s a shocker…BDS in bloom! Whoda thunkit? You are clueless as to how these reports are created.
If by *we* you refer to the mice in your quadrant, then yes, I’m somewhat obliged to agree with your assessment. The desperation from AQ and it’s allies is becoming increasingly obvious, as the lies of the mediots and other tools, surviving in an alternate universe come into fruition.
I for one have heard enough of this same inane babbling since the leftards created the Killing Fields and could care less about what the whiny anti-everything BDS twisted morons devoid of a reasoning ability, pretend to understand. The best way to prolong The Long War on Terror is to do what you are doing now. Don’t help to end the war by uniting against the those who want your head removed. Keep pretending that your ill advised rhetoric works, while all of your inanity turns minutes to hours and days to weeks. If you actually gave a damn about defeating the World’s, as well as America’s enemies, you would SDASTFU!
I attempted to leave a comment at the link provided for “The Horses Mouth” alas none are allowed. Apparently the *politics of reporting* got in the way. So……
While referencing an authority in any field (Cordesman in this case) as they are human and capable of being mistaken, it’s important to measure the individual in their entirety, else one might just follow a logical fallacy that does not and can not imply the truth automatically.
The freedom to choose what one wishes to believe or not, is part and parcel to living in a free democratic society. For those who’s personal choices exclude the hopes of all freedom loving peoples, including the Iraqi, and are constantly on the lookout for reasons to cut and run, their loyalties have been/are duly noted.
The incontrovertible clarity of those who consistently choose to display their disinterest in the excruciating efforts associated with progressive accomplishments, also tend to suffer with short term gratification and it serves a brutal unyielding master.
Gryphen asserts:
[emphasis mine]
As I commented here earlier,
Thank you for proving my point, Gryphen.
I prefer neither.
I prefer “doing the right thing”.
Not to be a pessimist here (or as I prefer, a realist), while I support the war I also realize that while liberals control the media public opinion on this will not substantially turn unless the preponderance of evidence is so overwelming it can not be realistically denied in any light.