So, do you feel OJ was innocent OOC?

Can’t help yourself can you Ted?

As I have said in the majority of my posts, I have at no time argued that there is NO CORRUPTION in Iraq. At no time Ted. And As I have said, time after time in our discussion it is the extent of the corruption that bothers me, and any lack in prosecuting the corrupt people. Are we sitting on our hands doing nothing about this corruption Ted??? Can you answer this question Ted??? Please let me know. – Lorica

I have only one response. Which is the more compelling fact:

1) There is corruption in Iraqi governememnt.

2) The person who provided the link to said to support the fact that there is corruption?

I don’t really care about #2. I’ll choose number #1 to be more compelling. If you wish to claim the mantle for #2, feel free to do so. I don’t care who provided the fact, only that it is indeed a fact.

So, do you feel OJ was innocent OOC?

Never meant to imply that you were stupid. An intelligent person could well be ignorant of the level of a minister’s power in the Iraqi government. It isn’t a widely known fact, as most people do not concern themselves with such things.

I have not doubted that fact that there is corruption, what I wanted is for someone to stop throwing out the accusations, and actually come up with something that is abit more conclusive.

My understanding it that it was a well known fact- a given, just like the sky being blue and the grass green. Even al-Maliki admits to it (see the very article you quoted).

Along with the two articles I linked, plus the google search, I think that’s conclusive enough. This isn’t a court of law, but one of public opinion.

Unless, of course, you think OJ was innocent too, right?

Anyways, if you wish to continue to obfuscate the issue feel free to. I will no longer address it, as I was asked to provide evidence and I did, with credible sources. If that’s not good enough for you, that’s not really my concern.

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2005 isn’t that old- look how long is take to bring our officials to trial. Besides, the age is irrelevant. You asked for corruption within the governmeet, and I gave it to you. 44 different warrants, including 2 ministers (which are equivilent to having two Presdiential Cabinet memebers). That is widespread corruption.

But, here is a 2007 article for your convenience.

Oh, and try Google.

As far as al Sadr is concernemed- he is rumored to be in Iraq, althouigh his people still sit in governement in active roles.

I think the reason that we are now making progress in Iraq is because we’ve come to a point where we don’t really care what the Iraqi governement thinks. We’re there and are going to get the job done. it’s a good move.

There are al Sadr elements ripe within the government.

The Maliki governememt does contain corrution- that is well documented.

Well I hear people telling me that, but no one is proving the point. I am not denying that there is corruption in any government. What I am denying is the 10s of thousands of articles on all of this corruption.

I just typed in “Iraq Corruption” in MSNBC’s website, my 3rd search for this by the way, and there is a story that has this quote:

And Iraq’s daily spasms of violence are closely tied to maneuvering over the future control of oil, as well as rampant oilfield corruption. Oil monies skimmed off the top are said to be funding the insurgency, say U.S. officials.

But in another page and a half of story, there isn’t another word about it, and it never identifies the “US Official”. If it is so well documented, let’s see the proof. I have read some State Dept documents about corruption from last year, but that was being dealt with by us. If this is so rampant it is the most ignored story in the press. – Lorica

Look, I have a great amount of respect for many folks on the left who presents sensible and well thought out arguments. I think that a the left’s ideas are needed just as much as the right’s in order to steer this country in the right perspective.

But c’mon here…

I want a realistic perspective here. One that points out both the positives as well as the negatives.

The Maliki governememt does contain corrution- that is well documented. To deny the progress in Iraq or to just summerily dismiss it as inconsequential is absurd.

Egads people- partisanship rules in these days. The Republicans is going to exagerate this progress, for sure just as the Democrats are going to downplay it. No one cares about the facts and doing wehat is right anymore- it’s about gaining power.

tommy, getting help for your drinking and smoking problem was one of the best things you could have done for yourself. I sincerely hope you haven’t fallen off the wagon.

I second that senitment, Tommy. Stick with it.

You may be 100% wrong on everything you post here, but you’re not a troll who just posts leftist drivel and runs away. You’re not afraid to return and argue your points, and I respect that.

Keep putting some of that preseverance to getting help, and good luck.