Comments on: When it comes to national security, Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) simply cannot be trusted http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:25:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/comment-page-1/#comment-736014 Severian Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:05:25 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/#comment-736014 Tom, you really are dense with respect to cause and effect aren't you? No matter if the non-immunity part of the bill is passed, the telecoms will resist providing info unless their immunity is guaranteed. What is so hard to understand about that? It's not like a FISA request, where they have a court order demanding compliance, the rapid nature of this means that the data needs gotten to now, not after a court order. Go up to a telecom, even as the govt, and say hey give us this data now, without either immunity or a court order demanding it (which grants immunity) and they will tell you to go pound sand. So, this is the typical liberal method of wanting to appear to do something while preventing it. Whine, like you ignorantly do, that "well then pass the bill without the immunity and do that seperately" knowing full well that that will not actually accomplish anything, the telecoms will still not cooperate without the immunity, so you will look like you've cooperated on national security while still kneecapping it and stopping any surveillance from happening. All the while the MSM will trumpet how wonderfully bipartisanly you are acting. It's a dodge, and proves once again the liberal Dems have no concern for national security, only for grandstanding, paying back the contributions from their main base of trial lawyers (cough, jackals, cough), and impeding the war effort. Tom, you really are dense with respect to cause and effect aren’t you? No matter if the non-immunity part of the bill is passed, the telecoms will resist providing info unless their immunity is guaranteed. What is so hard to understand about that? It’s not like a FISA request, where they have a court order demanding compliance, the rapid nature of this means that the data needs gotten to now, not after a court order. Go up to a telecom, even as the govt, and say hey give us this data now, without either immunity or a court order demanding it (which grants immunity) and they will tell you to go pound sand.

So, this is the typical liberal method of wanting to appear to do something while preventing it. Whine, like you ignorantly do, that “well then pass the bill without the immunity and do that seperately” knowing full well that that will not actually accomplish anything, the telecoms will still not cooperate without the immunity, so you will look like you’ve cooperated on national security while still kneecapping it and stopping any surveillance from happening. All the while the MSM will trumpet how wonderfully bipartisanly you are acting.

It’s a dodge, and proves once again the liberal Dems have no concern for national security, only for grandstanding, paying back the contributions from their main base of trial lawyers (cough, jackals, cough), and impeding the war effort.

]]> By: tom http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/comment-page-1/#comment-735958 tom Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:21:33 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/#comment-735958 Sev, that doesn't mean the telecoms can't have their immunity - it just needs to stand on its own- in a seperate bill- so our elected officials can't hide behind a piece of legislation named "Protect America". Either it's life and death or not! He's either a liar or a hypocrite. Pick one. Sev, that doesn’t mean the telecoms can’t have their immunity – it just needs to stand on its own- in a seperate bill- so our elected officials can’t hide behind a piece of legislation named “Protect America”. Either it’s life and death or not! He’s either a liar or a hypocrite. Pick one.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/comment-page-1/#comment-735773 Severian Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:28:39 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/#comment-735773 Because without the immunity, the telecoms are resisting providing info to the government. But, for Democrats, appeasing the trial lawyer industry, one of their most loyal and major contributers, is more important than protecting the country. Because without the immunity, the telecoms are resisting providing info to the government. But, for Democrats, appeasing the trial lawyer industry, one of their most loyal and major contributers, is more important than protecting the country.

]]> By: tom http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/comment-page-1/#comment-735772 tom Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:48:16 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/#comment-735772 McCarthy is a fearmonger who beleives that extending the PAA is a life and death issue. "This is not politics, folks. For grown-ups, this is life and death" he claimed. Then why not drop the Telecom Immunity from this legislation and try to pass it seperately? Let the Telecom Immnunity stand on its own. Why are the Republicans not willing to extend it? ST's hypocracy antanae should be sticking straight up on this one! McCarthy is a fearmonger who beleives that extending the PAA is a life and death issue. “This is not politics, folks. For grown-ups, this is life and death” he claimed. Then why not drop the Telecom Immunity from this legislation and try to pass it seperately? Let the Telecom Immnunity stand on its own. Why are the Republicans not willing to extend it? ST’s hypocracy antanae should be sticking straight up on this one!

]]> By: Don L http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/comment-page-1/#comment-735770 Don L Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:21:05 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/#comment-735770 wasn't this the same character that some poor guy found - some of his secret memos saying the Dems should use classified national security intellegence to get Bush. The lguy lost his job for exposing it -and no GOP politician came to his support not did rockefeller ever get punished with ethics charges etc. wasn’t this the same character that some poor guy found – some of his secret memos saying the Dems should use classified national security intellegence to get Bush. The lguy lost his job for exposing it -and no GOP politician came to his support not did rockefeller ever get punished with ethics charges etc.

]]> By: camojack http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/comment-page-1/#comment-735764 camojack Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:18:27 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/02/25/when-it-comes-to-national-security-senator-jay-rockefeller-d-wv-simply-cannot-be-trusted/#comment-735764 Not surprising, no. :-w Not surprising, no. :-w

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